as the origin of life on earth
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I'm With Stupid wrote:I've been watching a Brian Cox documentary again. One that pointed to the idea of these hydrothermal vents being the origin of life. He also presents the (qualified) position that life is basically an inevitable consequence of the physics and chemistry of the universe under certain conditions. Basically given the right conditions, life will have no choice but to emerge.
So given that, and given the fact that hydrothermal vents are present in many areas of the world, why is all life related? Why have these vents not been churning out biologically unique specimens throughout the earth's history (even if there was a period in deep history where conditions were more receptive)? Or have they and only one strand survived? Perhaps it would be impossible, once our ancestors got a foot hold, for anything else to be allowed to evolve beyond that earliest stage whatever it might have been?
Any thoughts?
Obviously I know that hydrothermal vents aren't exactly a proven theory at this point.
Spearthrower wrote:I'm With Stupid wrote:I've been watching a Brian Cox documentary again. One that pointed to the idea of these hydrothermal vents being the origin of life. He also presents the (qualified) position that life is basically an inevitable consequence of the physics and chemistry of the universe under certain conditions. Basically given the right conditions, life will have no choice but to emerge.
So given that, and given the fact that hydrothermal vents are present in many areas of the world, why is all life related? Why have these vents not been churning out biologically unique specimens throughout the earth's history (even if there was a period in deep history where conditions were more receptive)? Or have they and only one strand survived? Perhaps it would be impossible, once our ancestors got a foot hold, for anything else to be allowed to evolve beyond that earliest stage whatever it might have been?
Any thoughts?
Obviously I know that hydrothermal vents aren't exactly a proven theory at this point.
To answer your questions:
Assuming the model is right, then all life is related because the first basic life-forms would have evolved there and then propagated out from there evolving to colonize new niches, but still maintaining their common ancestry.
These ecological and behavioral niches are also the answer for your other question. The first life forms would not have had to compete with other life forms. New life forms have no 'history' of competitive evolution, or of evading predators. A new life form evolving in an already complex niche needs to come out running, so the existence of life makes new life forms less likely to survive, those existing life forms having the benefit of an evolutionary history bestowing on them capabilities that make them outperform in every appreciable way a de novo life form.
I'm With Stupid wrote:
I get this. I guess my question is why didn't separate lifeforms evolve to fill these niches in their own tiny corners of a vast ocean? Or did they, and once they met, one had clearly evolved more successfully than all of the others?
zoon wrote:All living things that have so far been found share the same highly complex method of protein synthesis, with DNA sequences of nucleotides being copied to RNA sequences of similar nucleotides, which are then the basis for protein sequences of amino acids, amino acids being completely different from nucleotides.
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theropod_V_2.0 wrote:zoon wrote:All living things that have so far been found share the same highly complex method of protein synthesis, with DNA sequences of nucleotides being copied to RNA sequences of similar nucleotides, which are then the basis for protein sequences of amino acids, amino acids being completely different from nucleotides.
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Except for the recently discovered anaerobic complex life form that doesn’t have RNA.
Macdoc shared a recent find that’s reported in the following. I’d link to the thread, but it turned into a complete waste of time. This find has major implications for life sciences.
https://www.sciencealert.com/this-is-th ... ource=digg
RS
theropod_V_2.0 wrote:Found the actual paper, and of course behind a damned pay wall. Still, here ya go.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 1909907117
RS
I suppose it's still an open question whether the storage of inherited information in some sort of nucleic acid is a requirement for evolved life.
zoon wrote:theropod_V_2.0 wrote:Found the actual paper, and of course behind a damned pay wall. Still, here ya go.
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020 ... 1909907117
RS
Thanks, I hadn't taken in that all previously known multicellular organisms need oxygen, that finding does improve the chances of complex extraterrestrial life, though RNA's not mentioned. I suppose it's still an open question whether the storage of inherited information in some sort of nucleic acid is a requirement for evolved life.
The earliest known life forms on Earth are putative fossilized microorganisms found in hydrothermal vent precipitates.[1] The earliest time that life forms first appeared on Earth is at least 3.77 billion years ago, possibly as early as 4.28 billion years,[1] or even 4.5 billion years;[3][4] not long after the oceans formed 4.41 billion years ago, and after the formation of the Earth 4.54 billion years ago.
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