Why USA fell out with Osama Bin Laden

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Why USA fell out with Osama Bin Laden

#1  Postby Nevets » Mar 06, 2020 10:29 pm

I have had enough of 19 years of arguing with people that believe 9/11 was an inside job, or that the collapse of the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center were the result of controlled demolition, rather than structural failure due to impact and fire. Or that the Pentagon was hit with a missile launched by U.S Government. Or that a commercial airliner was allowed to do so via an effective stand-down of the American military.
I am tired of repeatedly arguing issues such as foreknowledge, inside trading, Israeli agents, WTC7, The Pentagon, Flight 93, The Hijackers, Foreign governments, Anti-semetism, No Planes, cock pit recorders, Osama Bin Laden tapes, CIA hiding stuff, NWO, and absolutely every little detail that falls within those arguments, such as Larry Silverstein and his failure to just go to WH Smith and buy a shredder machine, instead collapsing his own buildings that he rents out to companies as office space.

This thread is for people that have already exausted those subjects, and now feel they have researched every single claim made, and are happy to conclude that The September 11 attacks (also referred to as 9/11) were a series of four coordinated terrorist attacks by the Islamic terrorist group al-Qaeda against the United States on the morning of Tuesday, September 11, 2001.

This thread is for people that are in unanimous agreement that the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 have been debunked, and now wish to move on to a different debate, where we might not all be in unanimous agreement.

That debate is, why did Al-qaeda do 9/11?

It all began when Osama Bin Laden returned from blowing a hole in the Berlin wall (figure of speech)


Following the soviet Union's withdrawal from Afghanistan in February 1989, Osama bin Laden returned to Saudi Arabia as a hero of jihad
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin ... f_Al-Qaeda



Next, Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and this caused Osama Bin Laden to fall out with the Saudi Royals who had asked the USA for assistance, rather than Al-qaeda


The Iraqi invasion of Kuwait under Saddam Hussein on August 2, 1990, put the Saudi kingdom and the royal family at risk. With Iraqi forces on the Saudi border, Saddam's appeal to pan-Arabism was potentially inciting internal dissent. Bin Laden met with King Fahd, and Saudi Defense Minister Sultan, telling them not to depend on non-Muslim assistance from the United States and others, and offering to help defend Saudi Arabia with his Arab legion. Bin Laden's offer was rebuffed, and the Saudi monarchy invited the deployment of U.S. forces in Saudi territory.[116] Bin Laden publicly denounced Saudi dependence on the U.S. military, arguing the two holiest shrines of Islam, Mecca and Medina, the cities in which the Prophet Mohamed received and recited Allah's message, should only be defended by Muslims. Bin Laden's criticism of the Saudi monarchy led them to try to silence him. The U.S. 82nd Airborne Division landed in the north-eastern Saudi city of Dhahran and was deployed in the desert barely 400 miles from Medina.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin ... f_Al-Qaeda



And the war against Osama Bin Laden, by the USA, began there and then


Meanwhile, on November 8, 1990, the FBI raided the New Jersey home of El Sayyid Nosair, an associate of al-Qaeda operative Ali Mohamed. They discovered copious evidence of terrorist plots, including plans to blow up New York City skyscrapers. This marked the earliest discovery of al-Qaeda terrorist plans outside of Muslim countries.[117] Nosair was eventually convicted in connection to the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and later admitted guilt for the murder of Rabbi Meir Kahane in New York City on November 5, 1990.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osama_bin ... f_Al-Qaeda




Now why where the USA going to war with Saddam Hussein?
Saddam Hussein initially did not want to go to war with Iran


Saddam Hussein publicly maintained that it was in Iraq's interest not to engage with Iran, and that it was in the interests of both nations to maintain peaceful relations. However, in a private meeting with Salah Omar al-Ali, Iraq's permanent ambassador to the United Nations, he revealed that he intended to invade and occupy a large part of Iran within months. Later (probably to appeal for support from the United States and most Western nations), he would make toppling the Islamic government one of his intentions as well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



He did so after being talked in to it, believing this is what the West wanted, and true enough, he was supported by the West


With the support of the Arab states, the United States, and Europe, and heavily financed by the Arab states of the Persian Gulf, Saddam Hussein had become "the defender of the Arab world" against a revolutionary Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



Now whilst by 2003, it was considered controversial that Saddam Hussein had used Sarin during the war, it is even more contraversial, that at the time, the US were happy for him to do so, and it was even them that sent Saddam the Satellite images warning Saddam that Iran were about to invade Iraq and Kuwait, and win the war


Iraq quickly found itself bogged down in one of the longest and most destructive wars of attrition of the 20th century. During the war, Iraq used chemical weapons against Iranian forces fighting on the southern front and Kurdish separatists who were attempting to open up a northern front in Iraq with the help of Iran. These chemical weapons were developed by Iraq from materials and technology supplied primarily by West German companies as well as[67] using dual-use technology imported following the Reagan administration's lifting of export restrictions. The United States also supplied Iraq with "satellite photos showing Iranian deployments
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



Now Saddam Hussein had been financed in his war by the Arab league


Saddam borrowed tens of billions of dollars from other Arab states and a few billions from elsewhere during the 1980s to fight Iran, mainly to prevent the expansion of Shi'a radicalism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



Saddam Hussein lost that war, in many respects, and and it was a war he was fighting on behalf of the West and the Arab league, and yet his nation lay in ruins


Faced with rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure and internal resistance, Saddam desperately re-sought cash, this time for postwar reconstruction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



Saddam owed the Arab league £30billion, and asked them to drop the requests for paying back the money they leant him to go to war with Iran, and they "refused".


The end of the war with Iran served to deepen latent tensions between Iraq and its wealthy neighbor Kuwait. Saddam urged the Kuwaitis to waive the Iraqi debt accumulated in the war, some $30 billion, but they refused
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



So Sddam decided to go in to Kuwait to retrieve oil that he believed the Kuwaitis had illegally pipelined from Iraqi waters, in order to make the money to repay the debt


Saddam complained to the U.S. State Department that Kuwait had slant drilled oil out of wells that Iraq considered to be within its disputed border with Kuwait. Saddam still had an experienced and well-equipped army, which he used to influence regional affairs. He later ordered troops to the Iraq–Kuwait border.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



Now USA were now regarded as a friend and Ally to Sddam Hussein, and had themselves financed Saddams war against Iran, to the tune of $4billion


As Iraq-Kuwait relations rapidly deteriorated, Saddam was receiving conflicting information about how the U.S. would respond to the prospects of an invasion. For one, Washington had been taking measures to cultivate a constructive relationship with Iraq for roughly a decade. The Reagan administration gave Iraq roughly $4 billion in agricultural credits to bolster it against Iran. Saddam's Iraq became "the third-largest recipient of U.S. assistance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



Now George Bush was originally not wanting to get involved, but Maggie Thatcher with financial interests in Kuwait, changed his mind


The invasion immediately triggered fears that the world's price of oil, and therefore control of the world economy, was at stake. Britain profited heavily from billions of dollars of Kuwaiti investments and bank deposits. Bush was perhaps swayed while meeting with British prime minister Margaret Thatcher, who happened to be in the U.S. at the time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hu ... 93Iraq_War



So the USA decided it would be a good idea to come up with the Nayirah testimony, which was a false atrocity propaganda piece intended to justify going to war and committing atrocities against Saddam Hussein


The Nayirah testimony was a false testimony given before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990 by a 15-year-old girl who provided only her first name, Nayirah. The testimony was widely publicized, and was cited numerous times by United States senators and President George H. W. Bush in their rationale to back Kuwait in the Gulf War. In 1992
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony


So in going to war with Saddam Hussein, they also went to war with Osama Bin Laden.

Was it really necessary? Was concocting a war with Saddam Hussein "and" al-qaeda really worth creating atrocity propaganda for? And was it worth laying the foundations for everything that would lead up to 9/11?

Also, do you agree with everything that has been said? Or do you think there is a different perspective to add to the subject?
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