proudfootz wrote:Speaking of dodging and weaving and being unresponsive to direct questions...

proudfootz wrote:

Animavore wrote:The whole Garrison thing in chanpter 2 is ridiculous too. He seemed to think it was all some the plot of some homosexual ring and that some guy named Clay Shaw was jealous of JFK, the "world's most handsome man".

It reads like Pizzagate.

Citation needed for extraordinary claim that Garrison accused Shaw of being jealous of Kennedy.

Thanks in advance!

In an effort to get Garrison’s story into focus, I asked him the motive of the Kennedy conspirators. He told me that the murder in Dallas had been a homosexual plot.

“They had the same motive as Loeb and Leopold, when they murdered Bobbie Franks in Chicago back in the twenties,” Garrison said. “It was a homosexual thrill-killing, plus the excitement of getting away with a perfect crime. John Kennedy was everything that Dave Ferrie was not—a successful, handsome, popular, wealthy, virile man. You can just picture the charge Ferrie got out of plotting his death.

I asked how he had learned the murder was a homosexual plot.

“Look at the people involved,” Garrison said. “Dave Ferrie, homosexual, Clay Shaw, homosexual. Jack Ruby, homosexual.”

“Ruby was a homosexual?”

“Sure, we dug that out,” Garrison said. “His homosexual nickname was Pinkie. That’s three. Then there was Lee Harvey Oswald.”

But Oswald was married and had two children, I pointed out.

“A switch-hitter who couldn’t satisfy his wife,” Garrison said. “That’s all in the Warren Report.” He named two more “key figures” whom he labeled homosexual.

“That’s six homosexuals in the plot,” Garrison said. “One or maybe two, okay. But all six homosexuals? How far can you stretch the arm of coincidence?”

proudfootz wrote:Speaking of dodging and weaving and being unresponsive to direct questions...

Animavore wrote:

Cool. Can you point me towards material that names the conspirators along with documents and/or recordings of their meetings and interactions as well as motives, please?

Thanks.

Animavore wrote:Can you point me towards material that names the conspirators along with documents and/or recordings of their meetings and interactions as well as motives, please?

Thanks.

Thommo wrote:

proudfootz wrote:

Thommo wrote:

proudfootz wrote:The conclusion on the matter of multiple shooters seems solid, with forensic evidence supporting what witnesses observed and filmed evidence from the event.

Indeed, there is no physical evidence of a second shooter once you account for the sort of errors described in Linkser and Garwin...

The Linkser and Garwin paper has already been debunked, and it doesn't even try to account for the forensic findings that the recording matches both the timing of the shots as well as the acoustic signature of Dealey Plaza.

That's quite simply not true.

It hasn't been "debunked" and extensive sections of it deal with the incorrect assertion that the timing of the set of sounds on the second channel which Thomas suggested were shots could have been simultaneous with Kennedy being shot. In fact it constitutes the majority of the paper and can be summarised in the layman's language previously quoted from the preamble:

This paper identifies serious errors in the Thomas paper and corrects errors in the NRC report. We reaffirm the earlier conclusion of the NRC report that the alleged “shot” sounds were recorded approximately one minute after the assassination.

The route by which this conclusion is reached is the body of the paper and is both technical and in depth. And is in accordance with other linked material, such as that from Michael O'Dell

Thomas argued that if a later instance of crosstalk, ("you want me...") were used to synchronize the two channels then the shots did not appear too late. The NRC explained this apparent difference by pointing out that channel II was sound activated and could easily have stopped between the two crosstalk instances. Thomas did not accept this explanation, believing that a regression chart from the BRSW report proved that channel II did not stop during the interval. If the channel II recording had been continuous then one of the crosstalk instances had to have been displaced on the recording by a jumping recording stylus, or some other cause. Because such a displacement appeared to be the only explanation reconciling the timing data, the synchronization of the Decker crosstalk with the "shots" could no longer rule out the possibility that they were the real shots.

proudfootz wrote::roll:

Animavore wrote:Can you point me towards material that names the conspirators along with documents and/or recordings of their meetings and interactions as well as motives, please?

Thanks.

Supposing we needed audio recordings or transcripts of a high level meeting among plotters along with confessions of their motives to reasonably conclude there was a conspiracy is ludicrous.

It's certainly not the standard used in courts of law to obtain convictions of conspirators.