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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#21  Postby Calilasseia » Jun 23, 2023 6:05 am

Matt_B wrote:Let's not forget that the UN Convetion on he Law of the Sea requires that everyone be rescued so long as it doesn't put other vessels, their crews, and passengers at risk.


Except that in the case of the boatload of refugees that capsized in Greek waters, it's been reported that Greek customs held off from heading to the boat in question, because they hoped the boat would leave Greek waters before capsizing and be someone else's problem.

In short, those people were left to drown because they were considered to be smelly brown foreign plebs. About 500 of them at the last count.

Meanwhile, five billionaire tossers have fucking navies rushing to dig them out of the shit they put themselves into.

This cartoon sums it up nicely ...

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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#22  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 23, 2023 10:11 am

Nope, no digging them out, now. The implosion energy is that of a few kg of TNT. There will be nothing for the fish. Scott Manley, YT aerospace vlogger has all the details for you.

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(Stockton) Rush was born into a wealthy family in San Francisco. He was the youngest of five children born to Richard Stockton Rush, Jr. of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and Ellen Rush (née Davies) of San Francisco. His maternal grandfather was Ralph K. Davies. His maternal grandmother, Louise Davies, was a philanthropist and the namesake of the Louise M. Davies Symphony Hall in San Francisco. Through his father he was a descendant of two signers of the Declaration of Independence, Richard Stockton and physician Benjamin Rush.


Classic main line East Coast U.S. elite transplanted to Cali. Got yachtsman written all over his face. Beneath the waves, it's another story.

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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#23  Postby Matt_B » Jun 23, 2023 11:27 pm

One more monument to hubris rests in pieces on the sea floor alongside another now.
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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#24  Postby Cito di Pense » Jun 24, 2023 3:49 am

Fairly-competent commentary from someone with solid engineering background (but without full domain expertise). He won't tell you exactly what failed (which is as it should be so far), but as the title indicates, points to multiple unnecessary risk factors:

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#25  Postby THWOTH » Jun 24, 2023 8:14 am

Very good.
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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#26  Postby Matt_B » Jun 24, 2023 10:18 pm

I just don't get it.

The vessel sounds like something out of Scrapheap Challenge, yet the guy was a billionaire who could have easily afforded to build a state of the art DSV akin to the Limiting Factor. There seems literally nothing about it that's not a worse version of something that's already extremely dangerous.
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#27  Postby tuco » Jun 24, 2023 11:07 pm

This cartoon sums it up nicely ...


Let me just note the obvious, NEWS "ought to" pay attention to it, at least for the time being, we don't.
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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#28  Postby Calilasseia » Jun 28, 2023 8:58 am

It's now reached the point where an editorial piece on this is warranted. Strap yourselves in, boys and girls, I'm setting the TERCOM to 200 feet, hard ride.

Some of the more egregiously negligent decisions taken by this Stockton Rush character have already been covered, but I've since learned of another one, and this one should really result in people reaching for the flaming pitchforks - Rush struck a deal with Boeing to buy carbon fibre that Boeing had declared unsuitable for use in aircraft manufacture, and bragged about it.

Yes, that's right. Rush knowingly used structurally unsound material in the construction of his underwater Hindenburg.

Just how egregious does this individual's conduct have to be, before we start re-evaluating the whole "simping for the rich" business that's now become it's own cottage industry on social media and elsewhere?

Just to recap, the death toll from this incident was five people. An earlier incident involving a death toll two orders of magnitude greater has seen an inverse level of coverage. Along with the revelation that Greek authorities deliberately held off launching a vessel that could have rescued those people, because said authorities wanted said vessel and its passengers to be someone else's problem.

In summary, the response of the rich capitalist press to that loss of life in Greek waters consists in the main, of "yawn, yawn, lots of smelly brown foreign plebs have drowned, womp womp". By contrast, the rich capitalist press responded to Rush's foolhardy misadventure with "OH NOES WE MUST SAVE THE RICH PEOPLE!!!!1111ELEVENTYONE".

So, 500 people fleeing desperate conditions in their homeland are written off, because they're not rich enough to own penis-extension Bond villain yachts and have slush funds in the Cayman Islands, while five rich tossers end up having entire fucking navies rushing to try and dig them out of their own shat nappies.

I've already commented on the underlying phenomenon in this post, which I wrote no less than eleven years ago, in which I mentioned Tom Wolfe, author of The Bonfire of the Vanities, and his coining of the word "plutography" to describe sycophantic scribbling about rich people, with his deliberate intention that the word be seen as being in association with "pornography".

Of course, one of the sleazier manifestations of this phenomenon is the infamous Fifty Shades of Grey pulp fiction, which sees gratuitous sexual assault being normalised, so long as whoever is doing the assaulting has enough money to insulate himself from the consequences. Cynics have already remarked that if the central character was a welfare recipient, this wouldn't have been a Hollywood movie, but an episode of Crimewatch.

But the level of utter obsequious toadying, grovelling and simping in this regard, has reached the point now where even Hello! magazine is ashamed of treading in some of the waters in question, preferring to stick to the safe waters of "celebrity" gushing and yakking about various Royals. Though of course no such restriction applies to the more foetid sections of the social media Wild West, which has also seen the usual suspects turn this episode into yet another excuse to rant about "woke" - yes, you read that correctly. Some of the shittier specimens are claiming that Rush hired young people because of a "woke hiring" policy, and that he "cancelled" the idea of 50 year old white men from being part of the staff.

No, Let's nail this bullshit once and for all.

Rush hired those young people because they were cheap. Indeed, all of his major financial transactions have been driven by cost cutting and corner cutting. The reasons he didn't hire older, experienced people, are [1] because their expertise is expensive, and rightly so, and [2] they would have offered active resistance to his bad decisions, in a manner that young people lacking the security of 30 years' hard won experience would be unable to. None of his decisions had anything to do with being "woke", but instead had everything to do with his being an ego-preening narcissist, borderline sociopath and entirely typical capitalist cheapskate.

Indeed, it's fair to characterise Rush as the Donald Trump of submersible operations - hubristically cocksure of himself and his entirely self-declared "genius", drawn to the tackiest options like a three year old to shiny Xmas baubles, and manifestly bereft of even the most basic level of human concern for others. Rush was willing to take dangerous risks with other people's lives in order to line his pockets,

For decades, we've seen the über-rich treat Planet Earth and its other inhabitants as their personal playthings - their toys. That's all we are to these people. For too long, the individuals in question have launched into vanity projects of varying levels of tackiness, only to decamp at speed to the business of sipping pina coladas in their mansions the moment reality bites hard, leaving the poors to mop up the shit - assuming of course that the poors aren't among the casualties. For once, we've seen one of the over-moneyed wastrel class given a short, sharp lesson in consequences that sadly won't be educational for him, upon account of said consequences being crushingly fatal.

The time is long overdue, for the rest of us to start making these people face the consequences of their spoilt toddler mentality. It's also long overdue for the "news" to start covering real issues in a substantive manner, instead of wasting air time on rich tossers and their Hooray Henry antics. The one hope I have from this episode, is that it may become the catalyst for flushing the "neoliberal" pestilence down the toilet once and for all, and putting fuck-you right-wing capitalism and its exploiters into the dustbin of history.
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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#29  Postby THWOTH » Jun 28, 2023 3:50 pm

Calilasseia wrote:...

The time is long overdue, for the rest of us to start making these people face the consequences of their spoilt toddler mentality. It's also long overdue for the "news" to start covering real issues in a substantive manner, instead of wasting air time on rich tossers and their Hooray Henry antics. The one hope I have from this episode, is that it may become the catalyst for flushing the "neoliberal" pestilence down the toilet once and for all, and putting fuck-you right-wing capitalism and its exploiters into the dustbin of history.

That there's commie talk! :mrgreen:
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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#30  Postby CarlPierce » Jul 12, 2023 7:53 am

Speaking as an engineer it should have been a massive red light that he sacked and sued his safety engineer for warning about the dangers.
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Re: Titanic Submersible "Possibly Lost"

#31  Postby The_Metatron » Jul 12, 2023 1:45 pm

The red alarm for me was Rush. He was a god damned salesman. He reeked of it. When he spoke, it was obvious to me.
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