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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#61  Postby Slydog » Jan 18, 2011 6:48 am

It's good to have an imaginary friend you can talk to when the going gets rough. :thumbup:
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#62  Postby Onyx8 » Jan 18, 2011 7:05 am

Slydog wrote:It's good to have an imaginary friend you can talk to when the going gets rough. :thumbup:



When the going gets tough, the tough talk to imaginary friends. (/Channeling H.S.Thompson)
The problem with fantasies is you can't really insist that everyone else believes in yours, the other problem with fantasies is that most believers of fantasies eventually get around to doing exactly that.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#63  Postby CookieJon » Jan 18, 2011 7:56 am

natselrox wrote:I should stop now. :lol:


Never!!

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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#64  Postby Nicko » Jan 18, 2011 8:26 am

Goldenmane wrote: It's impossible to have a proper discussion if you don't define your terms.


This.

In order to truthfully say the sentence, "I believe that God exists." one must have some meaning that one ascribes to the word "God" (theistic arguments often hinge on rather unusual definitions of the words "believe" and "exists" as well). As a general rule, I tend to assume that any theist who says they cannot provide a definition of what they mean when they say "God" is either a drooling moron or a lying goalpost-shifting troll.

An honest, rational person who wants to have a real discussion wants the terms under discussion to be clearly defined.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#65  Postby z8000783 » Jan 18, 2011 8:31 am

I am simply curious to know what his God does and doesn't do. That's all.

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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#66  Postby hackenslash » Jan 18, 2011 10:16 am

I don't believe in a higher power, I know there is a higher power! One that gives us life, and keeps us safe and warm. Look up. See that big yellow thing?

Now, please define this 'god' of which you speak, so we may discuss it properly.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#67  Postby Durro » Jan 18, 2011 11:07 am

fastonez wrote:I'm not saying that you should believe in god, but for me, it helps me a lot in certain situations where I need to be strong. A lot of challenges in life can be handled with the right mindset and a belief in god is an example of a mindset which can be of benefit.

I wondered if other theists here (where are you?) could relate to that.


That's an interesting way to live your life. From my perspective as an atheist, if seems to be abrogating your responsibilities for yourself and thrusting the onus onto a deity.

I find being an atheist far more rewarding and fulfilling, as I know that when I achieve certain things or overcome adversity, it is a result of my own efforts. Similarly, I take full responsibility for any problematic issues in my life and work hard towards fixing them, rather than sitting back and hoping that an imaginary friend does it all for me.

I find atheism liberating and comforting in that I am (mostly) in control of my own life and don't waste enormous amounts of time, energy and money worshipping a fictitious character who is quite frankly, rather moody, punitive and inconsistent.

But, whatever floats your boat I suppose. If you wish to avoid responsibility for yourself, and blame/thank your imaginary friend for events in your life, then so be it. I would like to point out one theistic trueism that might be worthwhile mentioning to you... "God helps those who help themselves". Now, I wonder why that could be ?
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#68  Postby Ubjon » Jan 18, 2011 11:23 am

fastonez wrote:I'm not saying that you should believe in god, but for me, it helps me a lot in certain situations where I need to be strong. A lot of challenges in life can be handled with the right mindset and a belief in god is an example of a mindset which can be of benefit.

I wondered if other theists here (where are you?) could relate to that.


It can be beneficial to believe that you're lucky underpants helps you get women because it makes you more confident in your dealing with them. This doesn't really mean that your lucky underpants have any women-attracting properties, quite possibly the opposite if they are a bit old, but rather you've managed to convince yourself that one particular pair of underpants have special properties in relation to women.

Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.
Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post6 ... 3b#p675825
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#69  Postby chairman bill » Jan 18, 2011 11:39 am

Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


Bugrit! I've just ploughed through two bloody pages, decided not to read any further but just post my comment, and you've essentially just done it for me! OK, I was going to dress it up in a load of psycho-babble (it's what us psychologists do you know), but it was going to just boil down to lucky underpants.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#70  Postby Ubjon » Jan 18, 2011 11:43 am

chairman bill wrote:
Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


Bugrit! I've just ploughed through two bloody pages, decided not to read any further but just post my comment, and you've essentially just done it for me! OK, I was going to dress it up in a load of psycho-babble (it's what us psychologists do you know), but it was going to just boil down to lucky underpants.


I'm a strong believer in not dressing stuff up in sciencey speak if it can be avoided. Its just pretentious old billy boy :naughty:
Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post6 ... 3b#p675825
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#71  Postby fastonez » Jan 18, 2011 12:52 pm

Durro wrote:
fastonez wrote:I'm not saying that you should believe in god, but for me, it helps me a lot in certain situations where I need to be strong. A lot of challenges in life can be handled with the right mindset and a belief in god is an example of a mindset which can be of benefit.

I wondered if other theists here (where are you?) could relate to that.


That's an interesting way to live your life. From my perspective as an atheist, if seems to be abrogating your responsibilities for yourself and thrusting the onus onto a deity.

I find being an atheist far more rewarding and fulfilling, as I know that when I achieve certain things or overcome adversity, it is a result of my own efforts. Similarly, I take full responsibility for any problematic issues in my life and work hard towards fixing them, rather than sitting back and hoping that an imaginary friend does it all for me.

I find atheism liberating and comforting in that I am (mostly) in control of my own life and don't waste enormous amounts of time, energy and money worshipping a fictitious character who is quite frankly, rather moody, punitive and inconsistent.

But, whatever floats your boat I suppose. If you wish to avoid responsibility for yourself, and blame/thank your imaginary friend for events in your life, then so be it. I would like to point out one theistic trueism that might be worthwhile mentioning to you... "God helps those who help themselves". Now, I wonder why that could be ?


Giving up control of myself and my life is the last thing I'd want to do.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#72  Postby rEvolutionist » Jan 18, 2011 12:58 pm

fastonez wrote:
Durro wrote:
fastonez wrote:I'm not saying that you should believe in god, but for me, it helps me a lot in certain situations where I need to be strong. A lot of challenges in life can be handled with the right mindset and a belief in god is an example of a mindset which can be of benefit.

I wondered if other theists here (where are you?) could relate to that.


That's an interesting way to live your life. From my perspective as an atheist, if seems to be abrogating your responsibilities for yourself and thrusting the onus onto a deity.

I find being an atheist far more rewarding and fulfilling, as I know that when I achieve certain things or overcome adversity, it is a result of my own efforts. Similarly, I take full responsibility for any problematic issues in my life and work hard towards fixing them, rather than sitting back and hoping that an imaginary friend does it all for me.

I find atheism liberating and comforting in that I am (mostly) in control of my own life and don't waste enormous amounts of time, energy and money worshipping a fictitious character who is quite frankly, rather moody, punitive and inconsistent.

But, whatever floats your boat I suppose. If you wish to avoid responsibility for yourself, and blame/thank your imaginary friend for events in your life, then so be it. I would like to point out one theistic trueism that might be worthwhile mentioning to you... "God helps those who help themselves". Now, I wonder why that could be ?


Giving up control of myself and my life is the last thing I'd want to do.


But doesn't God tell you what you can and can't do?
God is a carrot.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#73  Postby fastonez » Jan 18, 2011 1:01 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:
fastonez wrote:
Durro wrote:

That's an interesting way to live your life. From my perspective as an atheist, if seems to be abrogating your responsibilities for yourself and thrusting the onus onto a deity.

I find being an atheist far more rewarding and fulfilling, as I know that when I achieve certain things or overcome adversity, it is a result of my own efforts. Similarly, I take full responsibility for any problematic issues in my life and work hard towards fixing them, rather than sitting back and hoping that an imaginary friend does it all for me.

I find atheism liberating and comforting in that I am (mostly) in control of my own life and don't waste enormous amounts of time, energy and money worshipping a fictitious character who is quite frankly, rather moody, punitive and inconsistent.

But, whatever floats your boat I suppose. If you wish to avoid responsibility for yourself, and blame/thank your imaginary friend for events in your life, then so be it. I would like to point out one theistic trueism that might be worthwhile mentioning to you... "God helps those who help themselves". Now, I wonder why that could be ?


Giving up control of myself and my life is the last thing I'd want to do.


But doesn't God tell you what you can and can't do?


What? No.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#74  Postby Doubtdispelled » Jan 18, 2011 1:28 pm

Ubjon wrote:pretentious old billy boy :naughty:

Quote mined and reported as a personal insult just for laffs.








Not.





















:dance:




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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#75  Postby chairman bill » Jan 18, 2011 1:28 pm

God = whistling in the dark
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#76  Postby Tbickle » Jan 18, 2011 1:40 pm

fastonez wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
fastonez wrote:

Giving up control of myself and my life is the last thing I'd want to do.


But doesn't God tell you what you can and can't do?


What? No.


This is precisely the reason why people have been asking you to clarify what God you believe in, or at least describe to us what the characteristics of your particular God are. You're posting, so you are opening up yourself for discussion, and a good one will not form if your ideas of God have the consistency of Jell-o.
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#77  Postby Ubjon » Jan 18, 2011 2:06 pm

Doubtdispelled wrote:
Ubjon wrote:pretentious old billy boy :naughty:

Quote mined and reported as a personal insult just for laffs.








Not.





















:dance:




It's just a bookmark in reality.


:lol:
Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post6 ... 3b#p675825
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#78  Postby dean » Jan 18, 2011 10:44 pm

Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


For clarity's sake, a better definition of "lucky underpants" is needed. Would these be with or without Sacred Skid Marks TM? :mrgreen:
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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#79  Postby Skinny Puppy » Jan 18, 2011 10:55 pm

dean wrote:
Ubjon wrote:Your God is just a pair of lucky underpants.


For clarity's sake, a better definition of "lucky underpants" is needed. Would these be with or without Sacred Skid Marks TM? :mrgreen:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :clap:

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Re: Why believing in god helps me

#80  Postby rEvolutionist » Jan 18, 2011 11:29 pm

fastonez wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote:
fastonez wrote:

Giving up control of myself and my life is the last thing I'd want to do.


But doesn't God tell you what you can and can't do?


What? No.


Trolling is not going to win you any favours champ. It will also be a sure ticket to getting banned eventually. Perhaps you should reassess your motivations?
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