Posted: May 15, 2018 12:34 pm
by Thomas Eshuis
Arjan Dirkse wrote:This is a noob question:

In debates with Christian apologists they often claim it is impossible for a universe to come from "nothing" without a creator. However can it be said that there was ever "nothing" ?

Tracie Harris asked a far more fundamental and stopping question: what is nothing?
What does it look like? Does it 'exist'?
If you can't define nothing, you cannot use it as part of your argument.


Arjan Dirkse wrote:When the universe started to exist time came into being with it,

Neither of those things is true.
When our local universe began to expand, time could be measured.

Arjan Dirkse wrote:so there was never a point in time when there was nothing.

This correct either way, yes.