Posted: May 15, 2018 9:24 pm
by BlackBart
The_Piper wrote:
BlackBart wrote:Actually, it's more of a strawman than a claim - they claim atheists (Or cosmologists) must think there was 'nothing' before the big bang. What they claim is there must have been a something before the creation of the universe; a creator.

Which of course brings the question of when and where did the creator come to be, so postulating a creator of the cosmos and time is no help answering a before question either. Then they'll say the creator exists outside of space and time and has always existed, and I'll say ok. No different of a claim than the cosmos always having existed, in my opinion.


Yup. The God thingy doesn't bring anything useful to the party. :coffee: