Posted: Apr 30, 2019 12:30 am
by SafeAsMilk
Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
The_Piper wrote:
Pridefel Knowitelz wrote:
The_Piper wrote:Did god create itself?


I don't think it makes sense to think that anything can create or give rise to itself, nor do I think that the universe's origins can be explained by going back infinitely through a series of events, ie a big bang preceded by another, and another.

Which of course doesn't leave many options left.
Even if god did create the universe, then either something created god, or god came from nothing. This is not a profound insight, it's mere common sense. You still haven't answered any questions by thinking god did it.


If the universe is not a creation by a conscious creator, then what caused the very first physical event in whatever universe in a multiverse (whatever it may be)? Nothing whatsoever?

I'm not asking you to give a definitive answer. I'm just wondering what your speculation is. You don't really think that something can arise from nothing, do you? The buck has to stop somewhere, not at "nothing".

A couple of possibilities to consider are (let me know if you can think of any others) :

An infinite regression of physical events.
A conscious, omnipotent, omnipresent, benevolent, eternal, self existent, omniscient being affectionately known as God Almighty.

One of the nice things about not believing in a god is not having to make up things about it to make it seem more plausible. I don't pretend to know if the universe always existed, and I don't have to. But if you want to believe that a person- like deity made it all, then you've got to start making shit up because you haven't got any evidence at all. The evidence for the universe being merely what it is, on the other hand, is unambiguously and undeniably right in front of you. The more we discover, the more we know, no more no less. And although i understand this is difficult for people who want to believe in a God to understand, it's perfectly possible to be satisfied with that.