Posted: Jul 03, 2016 10:24 pm
by jamest
The_Metatron wrote:
jamest wrote:
Macdoc wrote:Jamest - are you really still of the sad opinion that human constructed intelligences suffer from the limiations of their creators???

It is no catch 22......silicon is simply faster than nerve impulses. Our cherished icons like chess and Go champions are falling regularly.
Computers extend human capabilities far far beyond what the wetware can handle and integrate into our very plastic brains in a delightful manner. They become now extensions, companions, enhancements and soon enough citizens. :coffee:

The last sentence is nonsense, though I agree with the rest. The problem is that computers are prone to crashing and breakdown. Another problem might be their lack of experience, for example dealing with overtaking bikes and tractors on country roads. I can think of lots of little problems like that. However the real problem is that humans create such machinery for humans to use. In that sense their capabilities are limited to our imaginations and conflicting desires. If I wasn't typing this on my phone I'd have gone into more detail.

Because you can't imagine it doesn't make it nonsense.

I didn't say that. I said that what a computer can and will do is limited to our imaginations, since those imaginations form the basis of the software that goes into them.

Edit: I now realise that you were talking about my first sentence. The reasons I don't think robots will ever be like humans are not just because of my idealism. The main problem being that if they ever do become like humans then we need programmes to mimic their diversity, irrationality, folly, stupidity, indeterminism, artistry, emotional drive, laziness (all to varying degrees, of course), etc. etc.. Only then will they be like us and be worthy of 'citizenship'. Having said that, if computers become like that then we won't need them as there's 7 billion of us right now and all we need to do to increase those numbers is procreate more.