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amkerman wrote:

xrayzed wrote:If consciousness is objective, why is it so error-prone?

I think here you are failing to distinguish between consciousness (awareness; the lens through which we are able to internalize and make sense of the world) and perception (how we subjectively interpret our experiences, observations, senses, etc). I completely agree with you that perception is subjective and prone to error, however, consciousness is not. While you may incorrectly perceive something that you hold in consciousness, that you are conscious is irrefutable (unless of course you are a material eliminativisst and don't believe consciousness exists). It is self-evident that you are conscious.

It's difficult to understand your model when you add new elements on the fly. Having spent the first page discussing the essential objectivity of "consciousness" and "reality" you've now plugged in the subjective element of "perception".

So it seems to me your model now goes something like this:

Objective reality <> subjective perceptions <> objective consciousness; consciousness can experience an objective reality, but it can only do so (or usually does so?) through perceptions, which are subjective.

So where does the subjectivity "come from"? And if we can have subjective perceptions, why is it necessarily the case that consciousness must be objective?

For that matter, what do you mean by "objective"?