Posted: May 17, 2012 2:34 pm
amkerman wrote:
For this I define God as subject independent consciousness, or, objective consciousness.
1. All experience and observation, including the experience and observation of (B)reality is dependent upon (A)consciousness
2. A cannot prove the objectivity (subject independence) of B without first proving th objectivity of A
Why is consciousness automatically objective? My consciousness will experience and observe (interprete) reality differently to someone when having what would be the same experience. For example - I am sitting next to someone on a roller coaster we are both on the same ride, same conditions but I may not have enjoyed the ride but the other person would be scared but enjoyed it. The only thing that is objective about that experience is that the roller coast will causes the same affects but our consciousness's will interpret those objective affects differently.
amkerman wrote:
3. Consciousness cannot prove the objectivity of reality without first prvoing the objectivity of consciousness
4. A cannot prove the objectivity of A
Why does consciousness have to be objective for Reality to be objective?
amkerman wrote:
5. Consciousness cannot prove the objectivity of consciousness
6. That which is not susceptible to rigourous proof can only be believed.
You need to explain why consciousness has to be objective? Is there anything in reality the natural world that cannot be rigourously proven but only believed to be true?
amkerman wrote:
7. The objectivity of consciousness can only be believed.
1. All experience and observation, including the experience and observation of reality, is dependent on consciousness
3. Consciousness cannot prove the objectivity of reality without first proving the objectivity of consciousness
Isn't believing a subjective thought? You want it to be true not that it is actually objective?
amkerman wrote:
8. The objectivity of reality can only be proven through a belief in the objectivity of consciousness.
9. Any belief or supposed knowledge about reality is dependent on a belief in objective consciousness, or, God.
So reality can only be proven through belief? So I have to believe I think, I have to believe walk?
Knowledge about reality is confirmed from repeating, observing and verification how can believing make something true for everyone when not everyone believes?
This arguement just seems to stem on one thing, you need to believe everything for it to be in reality. I could use your arguement for believing any mythical creature or entity.