Posted: Oct 14, 2017 7:48 am
by Cito di Pense
Clive Durdle wrote:Maybe asking about the rock and the hard place is the point? :-)

Similarly to questions like is the universe alive, I think life is an emergent property of complex universes. One of the physics books I have suggests life is a bi product of black hole producing universes.

But returning to gods, I think the question of them being alive should be debated as it forces discussion by theists of what life is


You still haven't specified what you think being alive is all about. I assume you take it for granted, leave that up to someone else to figure out or decide that anything behaving like you do is alive. How about, for example, frogs? What do you do that frogs cannot? Your point, if you have any, is waiting to be made. Just make it.

You read in a book somewhere that life is a product of black-hole-producing universes, and just assume you know what that denotes. Just give it a try, and then you can proceed. Otherwise, you're just waving your hands. But at what? Something only you can see?

But returning to gods, I think the question of them being alive should be debated as it forces discussion by theists of what life is


I disagree that this is the most basic problem you face. You don't want to be bothering theists to give you a definition of life just so you can find you have some issue with their definition insofar as it includes gods. Why should it not?

Maybe asking about the rock and the hard place is the point?


No, it isn't. You have to decide beforehand if you are going to make your definitions based on what you can observe, or include in them also what you can imagine.