Posted: May 08, 2019 6:09 pm
by Spearthrower
aufbahrung wrote:There are experiences though. If the 'common experience' is what you might say encompasses 95% of life....in the remaining 5% things happen. And perhaps they do have a rational and real origin in most cases. But the taj mahal exists not because of that 95% of reasons but something in the 5% remaining. It is real. It is a product of lost love. A abstraction away from the real and a derivative of supernatural. Poetry is the same. It isn't meant for the rational senses. Exists all the way, but of things deeply mysterious that can't be reduced to structures of grammer.



This is basically word salad and you've made a number of assumptions that are not warranted in the slightest.

Whether an experience is common or not is entirely subjective. How many times have you experienced waking up in a house in a small side alley in Bangkok, then taken a motorbike taxi to work? Never? That's 0%, right? But that doesn't make my life supernatural, does it? The quality of 'supernatural' has nothing whatsoever to do with the frequency with which someone experiences it. A supernatural quantity is one that transcends the laws of nature, is not restrained by all the mundane forces operating in our universe.

A rational and real origin is incompatible with the concept of supernatural.

The Taj Mahal is not supernatural; nothing about it is. It doesn't exist because of lost love, it exists because of marble being carved, carried, and placed according to an architectural design. It 100% exists due to wholly natural causes and reasons and not one jot to anything beyond nature.

Lost love is not supernatural. It's completely natural and happens to all of us at some point in our lives. Love doesn't 'transcend' nature; it's not some external magical force leaking into our Spockian universe which occasionally penetrates and jiggles with our minds.

Poetry is 100% natural and is of course meant for the rational senses or it would incomprehensible. Structures of grammar be damned - each and every word conveys a particular meaning necessarily agreed upon implicitly between the writer and the reader, or it would incomprehensible. It conveys a feeling, perhaps not perfectly, or perhaps the receiver attaches meaning to something only they experienced, but in every regard, it's all rational, logical and wholly natural - nothing 'supernatural' is occurring at any stage.