Posted: Mar 08, 2010 6:09 am
virphen wrote:The evidence, particularly the nature of the biblical texts more than strongly suggests that your god was made up by humans. I consider that evidence to be overwhelming.
That infers your beliefs are delusional.
Perceptions are never made up, they can be erroneous, but not made up. But I want to hear you continue your point, how are 'gods' made up? What are the 'biblical' writers claiming god is? How about the gods of mythologies? Take a narrative like the Genesis story, what is the writer trying to say about reality? Was he trying to teach individuals how he believed the world literally came to me? Or conveying a perceptions of the reality they find themselves emerged in?
How does that narrative contrast with the babylonian creation narrative that inspires it? Why differing perspectives? Clearly to say that 'god' was made up, means that you understand something about the nature of these beliefs, and what is meant by god concepts.
Do you hold that the Greeks, believed that gods like Dionysus, and Apollo were literal beings like you and I, just with superpowers? Clearly you assumptions requires this sort of understanding, if they don't they're just supremely childish, and sound no less naive than hearing a creationist teach us about science.
Do you hold that archaic religions cared like many moderns do about the mechanics of nature, of how things came to be? Like the Hebrews deeply desired to know how the world was created, and about how natural phenomenon came to be, and that writers of their narratives were trying to provide fulfillment for those curiosities? That bible and other ancient mythologies served to fulfill the longing that you have to acquire scientific knowledge?
I don't hold any of these ancient religions to be made up, but of course you're clueless of the nature of reality they are commenting on, and expressing a view about. These perceptions may be faulty, but they are far from made up. If anyone is making stuff up here, it's our naive atheist, whose views on religions, are as easy to dismiss as the views of creationist concerning science.
But I want to hear more, about our atheist and their delusions, how confidently they express their views on subjects they are as clueless about as I am on quantum mechanics. If you don't even understand the nature of these beliefs, you're going to have a hard time arguing that they are delusional. But I'll give you more room to make your case.
Come on, inform me about the knowledge, on which your assumptions are built on.