Posted: Aug 02, 2010 10:12 pm
hackenslash wrote:
Utter ignorant guff. What you are describing there is not the uncertainty principle but the collapse of the wavefunction which, as I stated in my initial response to your illiterate wibblings, does require observation. The collapse of the wavefunction is NOT the uncertainty principle. Try learning some real science . . . . I am fully aware of wave-particle duality, and its implications. This does not support your position that the uncertainty principle requires observation.
Well some guy called Heisenberg disagrees with you, a observer effect is also described by Schroedinger, most popularly in his (in)famous cat thought experiment.
Heisenberg discovered a problem in the way one could measure basic physical variables appearing in the equations. His analysis showed that uncertainties, or imprecisions, always turned up if one tried to measure the position and the momentum of a particle at the same time. (Similar uncertainties occurred when measuring the energy and the time variables of the particle simultaneously.)
hackenslash: You also forgot to address this, which shoots your ignorant fucking assertion in the foot, and is taken from your own fucking source:This is not due to imprecise measurements. Technology is advanced enough to hypothetically yield correct measurements. The blurring of these magnitudes is a fundamental property of nature.
The observer cannot determine both position and momentum. The fundamental property of Heisenberg's uncertainly principal. Tell me, in what sense can a fundamental property of nature require observation? Do you suggest that the uncertainty principle didn't exist before there were entities capable of observing? Do you even understand what actually constitutes an observer?
The more precisely the position is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa. --Heisenberg, uncertainty paper, 1927
But YOU are clearly begging the question with your whole line of argument concerning the uncertainty principle and the instability of nothing, as far as the uncertainty principal is associated with "our" universe there is no reason for it to have pre-dated its origin.