Posted: Sep 28, 2010 10:33 am
by Shrunk
Ichthus77 wrote:
and now we've proved it !

Both the atheist and theist conclusions require faith

So, you admit that a naturalistic, non-intelligent process can satisfy the Kalam requirement for a "first cause" just as well as a God can? That the latter depends on "faith"? Well, then, I think we're done here. Thanks for playing.

(but the self-bootstrapping atheist conclusion--that one requires blind faith--in the teeth of counter-evidence).

...assuming one engages in self-serving deliberate miscomprehension of the relevent scientific evidence, of course.