Posted: Apr 15, 2012 2:26 am
by DougC
mcgruff wrote:I hate all this outsourcing shit which allows ministers to distance themselves from any wrongdoing.

In the past the Police where resposable for deportations. Then there was a job to some African shit hole that the police federation said was too dangerous for its members. Some air-ambulance company had a few security guards, so said they would do it. Thus private deportations was born. Dont worry, most of the staff doing it would prefer to work for the Home Office direct.

Its still going to happen. All countrys deport and it only depends on who does it. Most likely the same people rebadged.
Most removals happen without incident. However having someome throw there toys out the pram at 35,000ft and geting restrained because they are going back to a country (where being a pedo is not looked on as well as in the U.K.), needs to happen for everyones sake.
The reliance staff are in the main the G4S staff who TUPEd over in May last year.

Eleven guards are understood to have been suspended for refusing to fly on charter flights to Afghanistan, citing a lack of security provisions or risk assessments. On one recent flight to Kabul they say they were left for several hours on the tarmac at the airport, in freezing conditions and fearing for their safety. Reliance said five guards remained suspended for refusing to fly to Afghanistan but insisted its risk assessments had been "stringent".

This should be quite telling. Would you want to fly into A-stan sitting on a flack vest.

Since taking on the contract, Reliance has embarked on cost-cutting while seeking to change the "culture and behaviour" of guards – many of whom were automatically transferred across from G4S in May. Insiders say the contract has been beset with problems, with guards complaining about shortages of staff, issues with vehicles and poor safety standards.

Any chance these bits I've underlined are conected?

In a separate incident, a guard was temporarily suspended and given a warning after being overheard making what were perceived as inappropriate comments in an airport lounge in Nairobi, Kenya.

In the past this would result in loseing there job, simple.

In one of the leaked documents, Reliance blames "austerity cuts" within UKBA for a series of changes in working practices that proved unpopular with staff, some of whom threatened a revolt.In one of the leaked documents, Reliance blames "austerity cuts" within UKBA for a series of changes in working practices that proved unpopular with staff, some of whom threatened a revolt.

The U.N. states that a refugee should ask for asylum in the first safe place they find. Then why is someone given asylum when they arrive at Stanstead, Luton or St Pancras Station? You cant arive in these places from an unsafe country (unless Spain, France and Belgium are now unsafe). lets not talk about the ferry from france. Although lets face facts, if people where onlt passing through to get to Ireland, would we be stoping them?
The UKBA is in a total mess. Border security is not seen as an issue for the government (of any colour), and it will not be unill something nasty happens. These are, however, the peope who stopped a few Vietnamese from LEAVING and locked them up. Like I said - total mess.
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I work in this industry, not in 'Overseas' as its called, but close enough to know what I'm talking about.