Posted: Apr 15, 2012 4:07 pm
mrjonno wrote:I'm quite happy to tax payer funded parties but only if that party can get a minimum 25% of seats in parliament (ie the Lib Dem's get nothing)
The usual contempt for democracy, I see.
chairman bill wrote:But that's not the case. Offering this strawman is really beneath you, but doesn't surprise me. Quite simply, it isn't the case. Some unions aren't affiliated, and those that are offer an easy opt-out of the political levy, only a fraction of which goes to Labour even in the case of affiliated unions. Nobody has to affiliate themselves to a party for workplace protection.
Not all unions are affiliated to Labour, but since I didn't say that, you are again advancing a strawman. The fact is that in many workplaces, the resident union is a Labour affiliate.
chairman bill wrote:However, it is the case that just about every advance in workers' rights over the last century or so, has come about because of Trades Union activity & Labour government action. Often in face of Tory & Liberal opposition.
It's just not true.
chairman bill wrote:That's a clever (i.e. fucking stupid) rhetorical device, SD. Propose a hypothetical scenario, decide for yourself how others would respond to that scenario, then condemn them for the action you've attributed to them. Well done
Don't even pretend your attitude to opt in vs opt out would be the same. That shit just does not wash.