Posted: Jun 25, 2012 9:48 pm
by Tortured_Genius
Beatsong wrote:SD just doesn't seem to get that most people here aren't interested in his kind of tribalism. We don't work for political parties and don't have any constraints or agendas preventing us from criticising ANY of them, or certainly from criticising any particular actions taken by particular individuals within them. Plenty of us have voted lib dem at various times.

I really don't see the point. As far as I'm concerned the Labour party are, taken as a whole, the least bad option for me to vote for at the moment. That's the sum total of my "allegience" to them, if you can call it that. It wasn't what I thought in 2005 and if things change dramatically in the future, it may not be what I think then either. I don't say that Clegg is a spineless tosser for abstaining on a vote about a subject he has a clear declared position on because I'm desparate to get one over on his party; I say it because it's a clearly spineless thing to do.

I can't speak for anyone else but contrary to what SD seems to think, I'm not actually rubbing my hands with glee at the demise of the lib dems' credibility, I actually thought it was healthy to have another voice in the mix about how to make society fairer and better, and I voted Yes in the PR referendum to facilitate that without too much splitting of the left. But they are now pretty much indistinguishable from the tories, and they have shown themselves to be happy with a vision of society based on naive American-style freemarket mythology while the needy can go fuck themselves. That just makes me sad.

And angry, like most of their membership.


Thanks Beatsong for putting that down. That sums up my own position as well! :cheers: