Posted: Jan 28, 2013 9:06 pm
by Weaver
mcgruff wrote:
Weaver wrote:Can't think of an intelligent response?


Oh I don't know.

Your ideas are ridiculous. I admit it's not entirely fair to treat them as a joke because they have extremely toxic consequences in society and mostly I do take that very, very seriously.

The thing is though, sometimes satire is the best way to show how ridiculous an idea is. Barky Obama can't really be compared to Mubarak. The US is not Egypt. Not even close. You are scaremongering. It's just reads better the way I said that the first time.
And where did I ever compare Obama to Mubarak? Fucking strawman bullshit.

We've been through this before... The defence against tyranny argument is anachronistic horse shit. The imbalances of power in a modern democracy like the US have little in common with those of the feudal monarchies of the late middle ages which the "right to bear arms" was intended to challenge. Democracy, a free press (and other mass media), and the rule of law create a completely different political dynamic in which guns have no place. Indeed, guns are almost handed out like beads and mirrors to keep the natives happy, offering the illusion of liberty to gullible people who are being shafted left right and center by a genuine corruption of power: the capture of democracy by vastly wealthy corporations and individuals.

In short, calm down, put the guns away, and take part in your imperfect but peaceful democracy. It's got potential.

Calm down? Seriously? You think I'm not calm, or that I don't take part in democracy?

I have carried guns all my adult life - longer than you've even been alive - including in some truly dangerous places around the world, and I haven't shot anyone yet. I've also voted and engaged myself in the political process that whole time. But I've also paid attention to events around the world, and I'm not deluded into thinking that surrendering my guns isn't a surrender of a potential power - one which I desperately hope would never have to be used, but which should be maintained as a hedge against much worse.