Posted: Mar 20, 2017 7:24 pm
Willie71 wrote:willhud9 wrote:They are losing elections to right wing corporate shills. How exactly are their policies worse than these other guys. Canada just fucking had Stephen Harper has Prime Minister. Australia had Tony Abbot. England now has Theresa May. And the US just elected Donald Trump. The people of the western world have been voting more right wing then anything else lately.
You can say the Democratic Parties platform sucks, but do tell me what about their platform actually sucks? I want specific platforms, not just your general vague assertions about what democrats do or do not stand for.
Because to be honest the Democratic Party has been pushing for a) affordable healthcare b) affordable education c) LGBTQ rights, d) gun reform e) criminal justice reform f) welfare reform and extensions g) a reduction of defense spending and proper reappropriations of those funds and a variety of other issues which makes Democrats 100x more appealing than the GOP.
The point which you and crank ignored above is that there are ONLY 2 viable parties in the USA and it is a major pipe dream at this point in time to think that major reform is going to happen to shake up the political structure. The Democratic Party is a large party that has to appeal to a large demographic of potential voters. The far left is included in that, but the far left is a minority bloc in the Democratic Party. If the far left really wants to make substantial change than they have to work through the party that caters to people who identify as moderates but really are republican-lites. These are the democrats who don't really care about gay rights, or civil rights, or the fact that black people encounter systematic racism. These are the democrats who really care about making sure they or their family recieve medicaid, social security, etc. or retain their union jobs, etc. Those are not the far left and oftentimes they and the far left butt heads. But they all fall under the Democratic Party and because of that the Democratic Party has to appeal to the average voter in its constituency. The GOP has to do likewise, but it keeps shifting closer to neo-liberalism it is leaving a lot of moderate right wing individuals and Libertarian individuals behind.
Now the way I see progressives can act like spoiled children who did not get what they wanted for Christmas and they can throw hissy fits that their messiahs or knights in shining armor were not elected to a position of authority and recognition or they can be an asset and actually help work with the system to change the system. I align myself with many progressive ideologies. I am also a realist. The Democratic Party is MY BEST CHANCE at improving America in the direction I want it to go. You can continue to act all obstructionist and self righteous or you can actually provide substance which shows the the platforms of the Democratic Party actually do suck.
Im not holding my breath though.
That's good, because you won't get what you want. Affordable health care? Sanders tried to lower drug prices, and Dems voted against it. Who cares what's in the platform. You are that naïve? The Dems cut the safety net over the past four decades just like the republicans.
Those democrats that voted against also have major pharmaceutical companies in their states which provides their state plenty of revenue which directly benefits their direct constituents. You do know a senator in Michigan's primary job is to make sure Michigan and the interests of Michigan are taken care of correct?
Just because you and Sanders supported it does not mean it was a good bill for every state to support nor was it a bill all people would be happy or benefit from. Your black and white approach to this issue is wearisome.