Posted: Oct 22, 2017 9:38 pm
by Thomas Eshuis
Thommo wrote:
GrahamH wrote:
Thommo wrote:Wait for an election and vote in a better prime minister.


Do you ever wonder why protest groups defending minority interest ever make a fuss when they could just wait for an election and vote in a leader that will support their interests and oust the oppressing majority's candidate?


Actually, that's exactly how most changes do get made. That's how being gay was decriminalised in most countries, it's how gay marriage has been legalised in dozens of countries, it's how the vast majority of franchise extensions have come to pass.

That's not a fair analogy however as there's little chance of the Catalan people ever convincing a majority of Spanish people to support their independence the way people were presuaded to change their minds on SSM. They're distinctly different issues.

Thommo wrote:
GrahamH wrote:Hang on. There's something wrong with the logic there.


What logic? It was a suggestion not a piece of reasoning. It's a suggestion based on real life outcomes and the incredible success of peaceful democracy.

How many nations achieved their independence peacefully? Especially before WW2?

Thommo wrote:
Non democratic means have a track record that is spotty in terms of success and that has resulted in large loss of life in many cases.

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that it's highly unlikely for any segment of a larger nation to become independent through democratic means.