Posted: Jun 28, 2018 10:20 am
by aban57
Cito di Pense wrote:
aban57 wrote:
No, I think your lack of argument answers it all.

Well, now you want arguments. I'm going with the empirical, so you should be all about presenting evidence for your view. But that will be selective attention, I'm just betting.

How is it that you don't see there's no conclusion to this discussion except your complaining about somebody's lack of argument? That means this is philosophy, and not science.

aban57 wrote:That's a position of belief, not one of looking at facts

What fucking facts have you tried to present?

aban57 wrote:You're conveniently forgetting about all social achievements in our history

Yeah, facts. When you start listing them, what will you have? Will you have a model, or just selective attention to detail? That's how it goes with social observation.

You're disengeniously trying to draw me into a discussion I'm not part of. All I was doing here, was to debunk your claim that hoping nothing from humanity is based on empirical evidence. That's all. This is not the realm of philosophy, but science. Your claim is utter bullshit, as proven by all social advancements in human history, which clearly prove that we're capable of doing better, which is the opposite of what you claim. Democracy, slavery, racism, homophobia, social security, unions, etc., advancements in all these topics made humans life better in general. Sure it doesn't touch everyone, it's not perfect, and some parts of the world are going backwards, but it's still better than it was before. And that's not subjective.