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jamest wrote:No, it's been crippled by a Tory government that inherited debt to levels that have almost made this country bankrupt. Or do you think that the Conservatives imposed austerity upon its people for a laugh?

Citation.

jamest wrote:It's a bit like waking up yourself and realising that you're thousands of pounds/dollars in debt and can no longer afford to pay the interest. What do you do? You make severe cuts in your own spending. At least, that's what most reasonable people do.

It's not really what the Conservatives did either.

jamest wrote:What's wrong here is that most people don't seem to appreciate that such principles extend to governments and that money - even for them - doesn't grow on trees. Of course, where you've got a situation in which the welfare state cannot cope and yet millions of Europeans are allowed to enter the country and put a stress on the whole infrastructure, of course you're going to notice a diminishing quality of service right across the board.

What's wrong here is that you're ranting without having bothered to support the claim from which all this ranting is extracted.

jamest wrote:Regardless, the people here expect the government of the UK to pluck cash out of its ass and pay for top quality services across the board, even when no such cash is at hand.

It's almost like they expect the government to appropriate that cash and spend it on the most vital services.

Now who was it that was recently offering tax cuts worth £8 billion for Britain's highest earners?

It's almost like people think there's going to be more money to be spent on vital services by collecting less tax - perhaps those people are expecting to pluck cash out of their asses to pay for those services.

jamest wrote: It's like you realising that you're skint and having to make cuts, and your children moaning about the diminishing quality of their Xmas and birthday presents, but you're fucked so what can you do? Borrow more? Sure, if someone is mug-enough to give it to you, but you and I know that this is the route to oblivion. The selfish British 'children' on the other hand, will not forgive you for their diminished quality of existence. And that's precisely where we are at here. Socialists moaning about there not being enough money for the hospitals, schools, police, army, etc. etc., when there is no fucking money and when borrowing more to pay for it all does nothing but guarantee the bankruptcy of 'Britain".

It's like you realizing you're skint and then deciding to earn less money thereby ensuring that you don't have enough money to pay for those services... but with the right policies, perhaps those services can be just wiped away. It's like intentional bankruptcy of services.

So back to you talking about how the NHS is holding up - because that's supposedly your argument. How do you lower the available moneys to support core services and expect the outcome to be more funds available?

It's like a magic trick for children.

jamest wrote:

Spearthrower wrote:That it still struggles on right on the brink of the precipice after 9 years of Tory governance is not something to engender confidence. With a majority and less effective opposition, there is every reason for people reliant on the NHS to be deeply concerned. But I expect you're alright Jack.

You're fucking deluded. Like many others, including the good ol' USA, this country has been sustaining the quality of its public services upon the back of ever-increasing borrowed funds for decades! We've recently seen several countries such as Greece and Portugal in Europe and many such countries elsewhere on the brink of bankruptcy. The situation in Britain is not one forged over the last 9 years. For fuck's sake man, wake the fuck up!

Well, I am not 'fucking deluded' sufficiently to notice that you appeared to think that tossing out some random abuse would be a valid proxy to actually counter the point I made.

The NHS has been absolutely gutted under the last 9 years of Tory governance, and if you believe otherwise then the very best explanation would be abject ignorance of the facts.