Posted: Jul 22, 2020 1:08 pm
arugula2 wrote:Spinozasgalt wrote:I have no interest in a left that's cross-pollinated by that section of the right. I want that section of the right totally destroyed. Smashed. I have no interest in a pipeline from them into socialist idealism either, because Ball and people like her don't ask those coming over to give up their worst tendencies. Having virulently racist conservatives turned into virulently racist socialists doesn't help me.
Idk what the purple part means - do you mean they're not censored? And then does she get to attack their ideas if she disagrees? That seems like an ideal situation - in theory anyway. The part in orange: I should think not!
That's a scary thought though... virulent racist socialism. Do you see it trending in this country? Please point me to it.
No, the "cross pollination" isn't whatever one makes it to be. In this case, if "racism" is your concern, you'd be heartened by the fact that Krystal is pretty much consistent on that issue, as far as I've seen. So I guess anti-racist pollen is getting scattered in "enemy" territory, if the topic comes up & there's an anti-racist in the conversation. "That section" of the right punditry (ie, Carlson's) in addition to white nationalism, hits neoliberal policy-making on issues of trade and taxation, if not sometimes also on political corruption. In the event that some portion of Carlson's listeners is drawn to that particular message and couldn't care less about white nationalist rhetoric, there isn't much else for them on the right, and there isn't anything for them on CNN/MSNBC/networks. Yet if they gather @Carlson or @Wallace as a matter of routine, there isn't anything better or more logical or more ethical even than to physically go where they are, and open one's mouth - the way Bernard did a few times, for example.
The "pipeline" metaphor is pretty irrelevant - I used it as a counterfactual in a later post, to illustrate that a GOP-er could argue the exact same thing from the other direction. Hence, the two imaginary "pipelines" cancel each other out, and the anxiety was for naught. But if you do discover the actual pipeline in action, I would like to spectate... along with the wave of racist American socialists.
I'm not going to ignore my actual experiences with leftists and in leftists spaces because your analysis doesn't make room for them, sorry. If you want to spectate, go into leftist spaces and see what the class-first and anti-identity politics socialists are like.