Posted: Jan 07, 2022 11:53 am
by Spearthrower
Macdoc wrote:
plain old capitalism is manifestly awful for the environment

not sure what your point could possibly be

It's written right there: capitalism is about individual (stakeholder) profit typically and historically accrued through exploiting natural resources, and the extraction of those resources has dramatically damaged the environment.

Macdoc wrote:....that companies and indviduals make choices that impact the environment negatively has nothing to do with capitalism. You are effectively stating that because something "is" .....that it has to be due to some aspect of capitalism???
What a crock. It is because they choose that course of action despite the evidence of harm.

I'm surprised at you, Macdoc - I thought you were clued up about this, but apparently not!

Macdoc wrote:Exxon et al CHOSE to ignore their own scientists about the impact of C02 emmitted into the atmosphere......they were advised in the 70s of the consequences and decided to ignore it.

DOW, Monsanto, etc on an on make choices detrimental to the environment even in full knowledge of the harm ....just as Big Tobacco did in regard to smokers health....and even non-smokers health due to secondary smoke.

Choices....nothing to do with capitalism.
Everything to do with behaving badly in full knowledge of detrimental consequences to the environment. :coffee:

Bizarre: you just offered a series of refutations of your own dismissal and clearly in support of my position which you dismissed out of hand. These are all examples of the environmental problem of capitalism - the profits of stakeholders outweighing the harm done to the environment. In each case, the 'choice' was wholly capitalistic: to make private profit.