Posted: Jul 14, 2011 10:45 am
UtilityMonster wrote:People on this board have long bemoaned Obama's willingness to compromise. You claim that this is not the president you supported. I hate to break it to you, but it is your fault for expecting a god rather than a human being who is intelligent. People who follow politics closely and understand political strategy like virtually everyone on MSNBC support Obama (even though they occasionally express disappointments here and there, as should be expected with any leader, something many of you fail to recognize) and realize that it is impossible to achieve all desired goals when you have a Republican controlled House. Of course, none of you have the faintest idea of what it takes to actually run for office and win, so you suggest he do things that are politically suicidal but "correct" according to you. If he just defended them to the death, he would get reelected, right? Make the case, Obama! Well, in case you haven't noticed, the American people don't respond well to logic.
And you haven't noticed that Obama doesn't seem to understand public opinion. Polls show overwhelming support for some things that Obama has caved on. And the Repubs didn't always control the house.
None of you care because your heads are up your asses,...
and as long as he isn't trying to push medicare for all and completely pulling out of the Middle East, he is a traitor to the cause. Well, anyone who expected more from Obama was just fooling themselves. I knew that he would govern from the center, I knew he would cave in occasionally to absurd Republican demands, I knew he would not live up to the far left's unfounded expectations and support things that he didn't even run on to appeal to primary voters, and I still supported him (in fact, his bumper sticker is still on my car. I intend to add a 2012 sticker in the near future). Why?
Because you are better and smarter than us? Yeah, that must be it.
Because I am not a sucker for obvious political hackery. I wanted a thoughtful president who broke down a racial barrier and established a better reputation for the U.S. around the world - and it worked. Global opinion of the U.S. is five times higher now than it was prior to Obama being elected.
I've got news for you, IT'S STILL SHIT. Being only shit, as opposed to really fucking shit, isn't much to crow about.
African American self esteem is at an all time high about their potential to achieve. We have a man in the White House who is arguing against mindless Republican hacks that we need to raise taxes on the wealthy to make society more equitable.
Really. So why was it he extended the Bush tax cuts?
Pragmatism, I suppose? 
Ah, but, who really cares? That isn't important - the events in Washing affect no one. Go do a protest vote and vote third party in 2012 or don't vote at all. After all, voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil, right? Wrong. Voting for the better of the only two viable candidates is the only moral decision one can make in the voting booth.
Why is a third candidate necessarily not viable? Is it because you think voting for them will be a wasted vote because most people won't vote for them? If so, that's backward thinking, as you will never get a third viable candidate if people don't start owning their vote and voting for who they truly believe will be the best candidate. As an example from Australia, The Greens have always suffered from the same effect here. Everyone used to consider them a wasted vote. They now have about 12% of the vote and hold the balance of power in the senate and lower house along with a few other indies. Although, our preferential voting system helps in allowing people to vote their true intentional vote, but direct their effective vote to the party that offers the lesser of two evils.
Any other action is not only stupid, it is morally reprehensible.
Possibly. But you'll forever be stuck with two right-wing parties (and both moving further right with time) if you never vote any different. Perhaps you need to suffer a bit in the short term to save your arses from the long term.
If Obama loses his far left voters and loses the 2012 election, you royally fucked over our country and deserve a round of applause for turning it into a shit hole along with the right wing lunatics who also chose not to vote for Obama.
It's already a shithole, mate. There's going to be no easy solutions to getting yourselves out of the shit. But voting in Democrats like Obama isn't going to get you out of the shit. It might prolong your inevitable death as a functioning democracy/country, but voting for Obama is still morally reprehensible. Voting for Obama is voting for torture, rendition, tax cuts for the rich, welfare cuts for the poor, and little to no social services. Sounds pretty morally reprehensible to me.