Posted: Oct 26, 2019 10:54 pm
Mr. Skeptic wrote:Spinozasgalt wrote:Your theist wrote:It's a weak argument as Christianity isn't primarly a religion of "law and order", but about relating to god and therefor to everyone and everything else in a way that is "good". The term "good" is a keyphrase that is important for christian ethics, as "good" is identified with god. That's why christian ethic is "objectiv", because what's good is set in stone and isn't affected by cultural or other subjective influences.
Ehh. What are "subjective influences"? Because views like divine command theory and theological voluntarism are quite literally about what God commands or wills. You need better thought through distinctions than these if you want to map out where different views sit. And considering one or two views in isolation risks you later putting various other views into categories where they clearly don't belong.
Another aspect that he seems to ignore is subjective influences on his religion and his god. I pointed out this to him, but he simply dismissed my answer with "well thats not the case of Islam, Judaism, or Christianity." Um. Yes, it is. These religions aren't all that special, regardless of what you think of them.
Yeah, there's actually a big literature even in philosophy on this, because God's knowledge of contingent things and creatures can't be what we what we take knowledge to be on a typical picture (where it creates change in, or otherwise affects, the knower) without threatening his impassibility.