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Thomas Eshuis wrote:

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Wortfish wrote:

Fallible wrote:
God is omnipotent. Had he wanted to make this world perfect, he could have done so. Looks like I have more faith in your God than you do.You are all over the place. Either God is perfect, created the world the way it is in order to put us to the test and omnipotence still means unlimited power, or he is imperfect, gave up his omnipotence when he created the universe, can no longer prevent suffering and omnipotence means power to do only the logically consistent in accordance with the laws of nature. For fuck's sake choose a line of apologetics and stick to it.

I don't know whether you are being serious.

Well, we certainly know you aren't.

Wortfish wrote: I presented you with made assertions about a place in which suffering and evil does not exist,

Wortfish wrote: where you will eventually be reunited with loved ones, and you accused me of trolling.

False, you dishonest responses to her posts as well as those of others demonstrate you to be either incredibly obtuse or a troll.

Wortfish wrote: However, your definition of omnipotence ignores divine omniscience which is that God knows what is best for his creation even if you don't.

That's a cop-out.
Imagine if a parent was beating their child and when the cops asking him why he says "I know what's best for my children, even if you don't."

Wortfish wrote: It also means that God can only do things that are intrinsically possible, not impossible.

None of the examples presented to you are logically impossible.

Wortfish wrote: He cannot cease to exist, create a square circle, a predator that does not predate and so on.

Your red herrings don't cause my fucks to grow.

Wortfish wrote: If he allows for freedom of action, he can't also prevent it.

He can. He might choose not to do it, but he can.

Wortfish wrote: And here comes omnibenevolence. Contrary to what you think, it doesn't mean that God is resolved not to allow suffering.

It means he loves everyone (and everything). Loving someone includes not wanting them to be hurt.

Wortfish wrote:It just means he wishes well for his creation.

Here's where you have to demonstrate that things like birth defects, rape, (child) molestation and a whole host of other horrors are good for people.

Wortfish wrote: It does not mean that if I throw myself off a cliff, he will send down angels to rescue me or suspend the law of gravity.

Hey-hoy another red herring and yet my field is still barren.

Wortfish wrote: With freedom comes responsibility. Suffering may play a very important part in the development of human understanding even though we don't want to suffer.

Again, only because god designed us that way.
If god had simply designed us with all relevant knowledge, there'd be no need to let us suffer.

Wortfish wrote: We are not robots; we are sentient creatures that learn from pain.

Again, only because god created a universe and a human species that (might) require those lessons.

He could have done otherwise.