Posted: Jan 14, 2019 4:32 am
Calilasseia wrote:Let's put this bullshit to bed ONCE AND FOR FUCKING ALL shall we?
When Darwin proposed sexual selection as a mechanism influencing the emergence of traits within organisms, he did so as AN ADDITIONAL MECHANISM THAT WAS IN OPERATION ALONGSIDE NATURAL SELECTION. Furthermore, he did so BECAUSE THE REAL WORLD DATA TOLD HIM THIS MECHANISM WAS IN OPERATION.
Oh wait, natural selection COVERS THE EFFECTS ARISING FROM INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER SPECIES. JayJay's assertion that this is being ignored is, therefore, total horseshit. As is his assertion that sexual selection was conjured into existence as an "ideological" construct. Because, wait for it, anyone who has bothered to observe real living organisms in action, has observed individuals in a population exerting CHOICE with respect to their mating partners. I've seen this dozens of times in my own fucking aquarium. When I bred three generations of Panda Catfish back in the early 2000s, the males courted some females in preference to others. Likewise, the females expressed a preference for which males they were going to mate with.
Now since I've seen this happen in fucking catfish, it's doesn't take a rocket scientist to work out that humans will do the fucking same.
Now can we drop this tiresome fucking "self-creation" bullshit once and for fucking all?
Sexual selection is about “a struggle between the individuals of one sex, generally the males, for the possession of the other sex. “
It’s not about choice. It’s about outcomes of struggle or competition.