Posted: Sep 01, 2010 11:25 pm
Moonwatcher wrote:This argument has been brought up to certain Christian members of this board again and again. I've personally copied and pasted this basic argument in front of a couple of them over and over and over and over only to have it utterly ignored as they go right on continuing their claim that "God is immaterial and you cannot prove his actions or lack of them empirically." Of course, that they are ignoring that the historical evidence shows no such event ever happened tells you right there that they have no interest in the truth.
Indeed, they are only interested in having their own presuppositions pandered to. The fact that REALITY doesn't do this means that they ignore reality.
Moonwatcher wrote:We see no evidence that all life on Earth except for a few people were destroyed a few thousand years ago. No response.
We see no evidence of any migration of all people from one place on Earth only a few thousand years ago. No response.
We see overwhelming evidence that cultures already existed and continued to exist. No response.
Well, actually, you DO receive a response of sorts, but that response consists of regurgitating their destroyed canards as if nothing had happened. Which is easy for them to do because they shut out everything that doesn't conform to doctrine. I've written at length about this phenomenon in the past over at RDF, and reprised a couple of the posts in question here in other forum sections.
Moonwatcher wrote:I agree with you that for honest people genuinely interested in reality, these arguments are better ones than scientific ones that people are less likely to comprehend. I'm just saying that for most of the apologists that come here, it doesn't make any difference as they either have no interest in the truth or they are just yanking our chains by the sheer illogic of ignoring all facts and evidence and then proclaiming victory.
And here's a perfect example thereof ... in this thread, the resident creationist kust keeps repeating his apologetic excrement ad nauseam, ignoring ALL of the hard evidence from reality that destroys his presuppositions, and moreover, engages in rampant discoursive dishonesty. But when you subscribe to a doctrine that is flatly contradicted by reality, you have to lie to others and to yourself in order to prop up the doctrine, and creationists routinely demonstrate that they do this time and time and time again.