Posted: Sep 13, 2012 9:31 am
Bribase wrote:DrParisetti wrote:Oh, one more thing, quickly. Explaining the dramatic, long-standing psychological changes with "a brush with death". Oh, please! You will have to do a LOT more than that. Come on! How do you explain that only NDErs show this changes, an all those who had the same condition but did not have an NDE don't? I am a passionate mountain climber and peel off a face at 3,000 metres in 2009, flew for some 20 metres and fortunately only broke an ankle. That was quite a brush with death, and have none of the changes described in the studies.
Are you serious? You're telling me that the psychological changes you cited and I critiqued (are these the changes you are talking about?) are exclusive to NDErs? No one who has nearly died has ever shown an increased appreciation for life? No one, having been reminded of their mortality has embraced religion and a belief in a god? I'm astounded by your ability to pretend that this is true.
Your previous points were just badly evidenced. This is transparent bullshit, doctor.
I myself have nearly died. I didn't get religion, but I certainly experienced these effects, listed in the Doc's book:
Increased appreciation for life
Increased self-acceptance
Increased compassionate concern for others (in fact, not only for humans but for all other forms
of life)
Decreased interest for material goods
Decreased competitiveness
Increased interest in knowledge for its own sake
Sense of purpose in life
Virtual disappearance of the fear of death
...and yet although I lost consciousness, I did not have a NDE.
Great critique by the way, Bribase.
And you are sorely mistaken, Doc, if you truly think it is us who need do a lot more. You have yet to do anything but parade your credulity in front of people who know better than to just accept what you say.
