Posted: Sep 15, 2012 7:36 pm
by Spearthrower
Before I go onto some of the data (and here, I have to remind you, I have, actually, described some of the available data to you all, but you ("conveniently") ignore it.. eg, the fact that there are records galore of blind (and deaf) people who have had NDE's.. and, whilst, for eg, in a deep coma, or whilst doctor(s) are desperately trying to resuscitate them, they have had an NDE, wherein they actually SEE things. Things which, once they have been resuscitated, and have "recovered" to whatever degree, they describe to the medical staff.. and those medical staff make enquiries, etc, and the things which the BLIND person SAW, whilst having the NDE, are all VERIFIED. Ie, these are what are called "veridical NDE's". I told you of at least one book that is about this very subject: "Mindsight", by Kenneth Ring (Professor Emeritus of Psychology at Univ. of California, San Francisco). Published 1999.
Ie, blind people who have had NDE's, wherein they SEE things which are subsequently verified. Such things as: whilst having the NDE, their consciousness goes to the nearby waiting room, where anxious relatives are waiting... and the blind person is able to SEE what items of clothing their anxious relatives are wearing... describing, exactly, the items of apparel, the style, the colour, etc etc. And these descriptions are subsequently verified. Ie, the person who is, in their ordinary physical life, blind, whilst having the NDE (which truly does mean when their (eternal) consciousness is outside their physical body, and can thus travel to wherever it wants to... ) - and so, in this example, the blind person, when their physical body is on an operating table being worked on by doctor(s), the consciousness of that person travels (for our eternal spiritual body is able to move at will, anywhere, simply by thinking of where you want to be) to the nearby waiting room, sees his/her very stressed, worried relatives, and SEES what they are each wearing. And then, when they have been resuscitated, they tell the medical staff that they SAW their relatives wearing, for eg "my husband was there, he was wearing a navy blue shirt, with the cuffs turned up almost to the elbows, and he had his glasses on, and he was sitting in the chair, with his head in his hands, crying "oh, Elizabeth, please don't die, please don't die..." . THAT is the sort of detail that BLIND people having an NDE are able to give to the medical staff, after they have been resuscitated. Other details that blind people are able to tell that they SAW, whilst having the NDE, is, for eg, that they say "whilst I was "out of it", I was able to SEE myself hovering above my physical body..and I saw that there were 5 people in the operating theatre... 3 doctors, and 2 nurses... one of the nurses was black, and one was white. Two of the doctors were black, and one was a Chinese man".
And then, having told the medical staff those details (remember, these things have been related by BLIND people who've had NDE', people who, in their ordinary physical life, are blind... many of them having been blind from birth.
And these descriptions of what they saw are then investigated, and are VERIFIED. So, in the above example, the medical staff are stunned, and they say "oh my god, how could you have known that there WERE 5 medical staff in the theatre, that 2 of the doctors were black, and that one of the doctors is Chinese...and that one of the nurses is white, the other one black..".

THAT is the sort of VERIDICAL data that is in existence.

Your notion of providing data makes the term 'providing data' no longer have any meaning.

You have simply written stuff. Providing data would be to provision links to independently conducted research, so that we could, you know, look at the data.