Posted: May 25, 2014 12:33 am
Animavore wrote:UndercoverElephant wrote:
Well, yes, lots of birthday cards have a lump of cheese in the bottom left corner, don't they!
Yes. Wine and cheese are quite common on birthday cards.UndercoverElephant wrote:
Sure. It's a subjective judgement call and can never be anything else. It's not proof of anything, and never could be, as made clear in the opening post.
All you're doing here is putting yourself in the same set as those who see Jesus' face in toast.
It's up to people to decide for themselves whether this is in the same league as seeing Jesus' face in toast, or not.
You're right that you're free to believe whatever you want to about it, but in admitting that it doesn't prove anything, why believe it means anything at all?
Well, I'm not sure why what I choose to believe is so important to other people. I'd actually challenge your language quoted above - by saying I have "admitted that it doesn't prove anything" implies that this "admission" is something negative or regretful - it implies "if only I could have proved it, but I can't..." One "admits" guilt, or other bad things. I didn't "admit" anything. I simply stated it, in order to make sure nobody assumed, incorrectly, that I thought this was proof of something and therefore expected them to believe it to. It was no more an "admission" than stating my handle is "UndercoverElephant."
You are also asking a question - "why believe it means anything if it's not proof of anything?" I think I already explained that I already believed such things were real (for other reasons, not connected to this), so the fact that this example proves nothing to third parties like yourself is irrelevant to what I personally believe. My beliefs about this case are shaped by my beliefs about this sort of thing in general.