Posted: Feb 13, 2011 4:30 am
On another note, I have found there is little point in trying to convey real-world politics to tinfoil hat-types, because they have become so lost in their almost superstitious delusions that nothing outside seems real. Mostly they spend more time watching sci-fi and discredited news sources (like Fox, even though they hate it they can't stop watching) and virtually none at all researching different countries and leaders from independent sources (that is, outside the same media sources) that even the most bogus concepts to a well-learned person make perfect sense to someone who spends most of their day on their couches before the TV.
For example, Katsung (assuming he's the real deal, and not just trolling the forums for attention) would feel that
1- illegal acts of war, torture, and conspiracies to invade or economically-collapse rival countries, or lobbying from other countries to do these things are 'not important' nor 'dirty' insiders of US government because he lacks the capacity to analyze information on its own, but instead blindly disregards any information that does not correspond to his belief that the US government is actually controlled by aliens trying to make the prophecies of the bible come true.
2- Assumption from simple TV land that because lazy TV audiences can be riled up into complaining about something (but not enough to leave their couches except to walk downtown to wave a sign on a street) that counties will fall for obvious ploys and be quick to attack others on nothing but knee-jerk impulse, instead of conspiracy to obtain hegemony or resources.
3- Because Iraqi warcrimes and leaked reports of Afghanistan being a failure, are going to justify Iran.
(quo bit)- an example of binary thinking, that believes:
1- either a source is pure and true, and the USA government can't possibly figure out how to feed false data into it
2- it is actually in the employ of the USA
As such, it is a matter of deciphering which leaks were deliberate false leads by the USA government (eg the 'terrorist targets that terrorists must not know about and must not be leaked by Wikileaks- opps" leak), against those from the US government offices that do no favors for the us government.
Similarly, a government official couldn't possibly create an account in a conspiracy forum and spread propaganda either!
A further example is the person's inability to confront logic- such as actually trying to make a case against the logical claims I made, or more importantly, explaining how THEIR sources (conspiracy papers) are correct, and not just outright speculations and fabrications.
For example, Katsung (assuming he's the real deal, and not just trolling the forums for attention) would feel that
1- illegal acts of war, torture, and conspiracies to invade or economically-collapse rival countries, or lobbying from other countries to do these things are 'not important' nor 'dirty' insiders of US government because he lacks the capacity to analyze information on its own, but instead blindly disregards any information that does not correspond to his belief that the US government is actually controlled by aliens trying to make the prophecies of the bible come true.
2- Assumption from simple TV land that because lazy TV audiences can be riled up into complaining about something (but not enough to leave their couches except to walk downtown to wave a sign on a street) that counties will fall for obvious ploys and be quick to attack others on nothing but knee-jerk impulse, instead of conspiracy to obtain hegemony or resources.
3- Because Iraqi warcrimes and leaked reports of Afghanistan being a failure, are going to justify Iran.
(quo bit)- an example of binary thinking, that believes:
1- either a source is pure and true, and the USA government can't possibly figure out how to feed false data into it
2- it is actually in the employ of the USA
As such, it is a matter of deciphering which leaks were deliberate false leads by the USA government (eg the 'terrorist targets that terrorists must not know about and must not be leaked by Wikileaks- opps" leak), against those from the US government offices that do no favors for the us government.
Similarly, a government official couldn't possibly create an account in a conspiracy forum and spread propaganda either!
A further example is the person's inability to confront logic- such as actually trying to make a case against the logical claims I made, or more importantly, explaining how THEIR sources (conspiracy papers) are correct, and not just outright speculations and fabrications.