Posted: Oct 22, 2014 2:27 pm
SpeedOfSound wrote:
Yes. I wanted to grab that piece out and scream a little. I get so tired of hearing this shit. It's a bit analogous to '"Have you stopped beating your wife?"
The truth is that it isn't explained. Why is this is frustrating for you, I'm not sure I quite understand.
SpeedOfSound wrote:Anyone, including physicalists, who say we have not explained consciousness, are in fact holding a definition of consciousness that is not explainable because it is the spirit-mind definition.
I'd recommend looking into the Philosophy of Mind, because right now neuroscience is in such an infantile stage that Philosophy of Mind seems like it holds more insight into how to think about consciousness. I don't think David Bohm was spirit-minded, to be honest.
SpeedOfSound wrote:Physicists??? WTF??? Why and the fuck would a physicist have a useful opinion on the brain?
Well, I mentioned David Bohm. He was an American theoretical physicist who contributed innovative and unorthodox ideas to quantum theory, philosophy of mind, and neuropsychology. He is considered to be one of the most significant theoretical physicists of the 20th century. He espoused such concepts as "quantum consciousness." Neuroscientists are basically biologists if they study only the brain. Physicists have a comprehensive understanding of reality, and so I don't see how they wouldn't be good candidates to speak on the topic of consciousness. The brain is fundamentally grounded in physics, and according to theoretical physicists nowadays, reality itself cannot be fully described unless you posit multiple higher spatial dimensions.
SpeedOfSound wrote:Materialism is inadequate for describing consciousness Spirits.
Well, that's simply an opinion of yours if you think that materialism describes consciousness. Like I said, there's no evidence for that. Neuroscience has yet to truly define what consciousness is and explain how consciousness works.