Posted: Aug 10, 2019 5:38 pm
by Spearthrower
quas wrote:
Spearthrower wrote:

Pilots do not have sufficient information about phenomena of disorientation, and, as a corollary, are given considerable disorganized, incomplete, and inaccurate information. They are largely dependent upon their own experience, which must supplement and interpret the traditions about "Vertigo" which are passed on to them. When a concept thus grows out of anecdotes cemented together with practical necessity, it is bound to acquire elements of mystery. So far as "vertigo" is concerned, no one really knows more than a small part of the facts, but a great deal of the peril. Since aviators are not skilled observers of human behavior, they usually have only the vaguest understanding of their own feelings. Like other naive persons, therefore, they have simply adopted a term to cover a multitude of otherwise inexplicable events.

Vinacke, Edgar. 8 May 1946. "The Concept of Aviator's 'Vertigo.'" Report No.#7. U.S. Naval School of Aviation Medicine, Project (X-148-Av-4-3). Reprinted in Journal of Aviation Medicine. 1948. 19:158–190

It's funny how in the past, we'd not posit incredible powers of observation and analysis in pilots which is standard Discovery Channel style fare today, and nearly universally the first go-to argument of every would-be alien visitation proponent.

These are not amateur pilots.

Who said they were amateur pilots?

No one.

quas wrote: They are military pilots.

And that's relevant because...?

quas wrote: If military pilots can be so mistaken "on a daily basis", then how did they even get accepted as military pilots in the first place?

Because they weren't accepted in the military as pilots on the basis of being able to identify unidentifiable phenomena?

And who said they were 'mistaken'?

Perhaps you can conduct the discussion with yourself as you seem to be trying to fulfill both aspects of the conversation.