Posted: Sep 05, 2011 4:14 pm
Jeez Mr Samsa,
I'm really amazed at the amount of time you are prepared to spend fencing with a fundy over a subject he has absolutely no
intention of changing his mind about, namely "Animal Rights and their absolute equivalence to Human Rights."
And that's at the heart of any statement and/or position by people adhering to PETA and ALF, while reasonable animal lovers would agree they have no judicial nor philosophical rights since they have no responsibilities.
And I understand and even sympathize with their outrage at the way some animals are treated before been killed, even in the EU. But there are laws regulating how cattle and chicken should be penned and transported, and not because it's in their rights but because they should be treated humanely. And I can do that while ignoring their extreme positions about using animals for food, or apparel, or just for fun.
But it's when it comes to their absolute opposition to animals being used for research, and the ways they use to implement such opposition, that they loose entirely my sympathy.
Indeed, according to these people no experiment should be performed with live animals (what they call vivisection) because:
One Federal Agency which finances and supervises much research done nowadays for better understanding brain workings, is the National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH).
Now, for reasons unknown to me, Animal Rights extremists have specifically selected NIMH for their anti-research activities.
I don't know if you remember it, but already in 1982 a dark and terryfying cartoon entitled "The Secret of NIMH" came out which scared children out of their wits, and made them anti-research forever.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRMbb3aMhg[/youtube]
I'm really amazed at the amount of time you are prepared to spend fencing with a fundy over a subject he has absolutely no
intention of changing his mind about, namely "Animal Rights and their absolute equivalence to Human Rights."
And that's at the heart of any statement and/or position by people adhering to PETA and ALF, while reasonable animal lovers would agree they have no judicial nor philosophical rights since they have no responsibilities.
And I understand and even sympathize with their outrage at the way some animals are treated before been killed, even in the EU. But there are laws regulating how cattle and chicken should be penned and transported, and not because it's in their rights but because they should be treated humanely. And I can do that while ignoring their extreme positions about using animals for food, or apparel, or just for fun.
But it's when it comes to their absolute opposition to animals being used for research, and the ways they use to implement such opposition, that they loose entirely my sympathy.
Indeed, according to these people no experiment should be performed with live animals (what they call vivisection) because:
- humans could be used instead
- there is no need anymore to use vivisection since research can be done now with cell cultures, or computer simulation.
- many experiments done with live animals are duplicated work, generally useless and done to make money;
- the housing facilities for experimental animals are appalling, and the suffering they have to go through inhumane while the results obtained under these conditions are worthless.
One Federal Agency which finances and supervises much research done nowadays for better understanding brain workings, is the National Institute for Mental Health (NIMH).
Now, for reasons unknown to me, Animal Rights extremists have specifically selected NIMH for their anti-research activities.
I don't know if you remember it, but already in 1982 a dark and terryfying cartoon entitled "The Secret of NIMH" came out which scared children out of their wits, and made them anti-research forever.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKRMbb3aMhg[/youtube]