Posted: Jan 05, 2012 10:19 pm
proudfootz wrote:IgnorantiaNescia wrote:proudfootz wrote:IgnorantiaNescia wrote:
Sure, in early April (that's around 15 Nisan) figs are generally not ripe yet, but you would definitely expect more than only leaves, namely taqsh. These taqsh can be eaten (but it was the poor man's food and not tasty) and they indicate that the fig tree is fertile. The lack of them (there was nothing but leaves) means that there would be no figs. My source on figs didn't mention that these were taqsh (not the real figs Mark refers to) so it needed a little more delving.
Interesting that you can know what people you know nothing about have or have not done.
I only say you 'apparently' didn't read the source since the source says it wasn't the season for figs full stop.
If it's not the season for figs, only someone ignorant of figs would expect to find figs on it - as Jesus is made to do in the story.
First, my translation doesn't read "it wasn't the season", so how do you expect me to read that if the translation doesn't even use "season"? The reason I made that mistake is simple, my source on figs referred to the fruits before the figs (taqsh) simply as figs. But you would expect taqsh around that time so I misread "it wasn't the time" as the source said that early April is the time for figs (while it should read taqsh or precursors). Is that clear enough?
Then, as I said, it was exactly the right season for those taqsh. Those were not out of season. And the story (if it is historical, which I doubt and you do even more) notes there was nothing but leaves. But taqsh indicate that the tree will grow figs; no taqsh, no figs. So (in the story) the tree was infertile and while you would not expect to find figs, you would expect the fig tree to have taqsh. So your "ignoramus" argument falls flat on its face.
Sadly, all the translations I have seen say it was not the season for figs:
http://bible.cc/mark/11-13.htm
That's a problem with translations, I guess...
Do not worry, I don't fail to notice that you keep evading the point that the fig tree was supposed to have taqsh when Passover neared and instead keep resorting to flaccid yet completely unconvincing tricks to discredit what I say.
Now you have.
proudfootz wrote:Onyx8 wrote:proudfootz wrote:
I only say you 'apparently' didn't read the source since the source says it wasn't the season for figs full stop.
If it's not the season for figs, only someone ignorant of figs would expect to find figs on it - as Jesus is made to do in the story.
No, no, you can't just read the words, you have to interpret them or it's no fun.
Yes, let's say it was a species of figs which Mark didn't know was supposed to be in season and Mark was putting in his opinion and thus was misled by Jesus's wholly correct response...
Who's speaking of a different species of fig? This would just be the common fig. Another unsubtle projection by you. Taqsh does not equal fig.