Posted: Mar 09, 2013 8:45 am
sturmgewehr wrote:Now Craig is talking about the Universe having an ABSOLUTE BEGINNING and he is aso mentioning Ex Nihilo does Absolute Beginning mean that everything that exists came out of Nothing except God in Craigs case???
To Craig yes, that's what it means. That there was absolute non-being, but god was somehow there, and wished the universed into existence from this utter void and nothingness. Minds can do that.. on theism.
sturmgewehr wrote:He says in this refutation, several times that there are SCIENTIFIC evidences about an Absolute Beginning of the Universe.
Are there??
No. It is and remains an extrapolation of the classic big bang model. Here's the furthest back in time we have direct evidence of: The cosmic microwave background radiation, which is about 300.000 years after the extrapolated beginning(and it really, really IS an extrapolation).
sturmgewehr wrote:Why would he say that??
To sell books to believers and assure them, and himself, that they have good reasons to believe in god. Look, there's nothing mysterious about this. Human beings lie, often to themselves.
There isn't, he's making shit up for aforementioned reasons.sturmgewehr wrote:Are there scientific evidences about the Origin of the Universe out of Nothing, I mean what is he talking about.
it is so hard coping with what he is saying.
Having researched the subjects myself for quite a while, I've progressed to dismissing the silly liar out of hand. He doesn't come to the subject with facts, honestly, in an attempt to find out the truth. He's an apologists, he gets PAID to "prove" the existence of god. He's been doing this his entire life, his life depends on it, all his friends and colleagues are die-hard religionists. At this stage, nothing could convince him otherwise. Just let Craig go, it's a waste of your time.