Posted: Mar 11, 2013 10:40 am
by sturmgewehr
I think Craig is demolishing here the claims we have been making about the beginning of the Universe I think Velinkin is pretty clear when saying the Universe had an Ultimate Beginning even Alan Guth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z79FGmh50Xo

in the end Alan Guth is being interviewed and saying that even if we think of the universe as many bubbles than there still must be an ULTIMATE BEGINNING.

I think that is pretty clear and the second premise of the Kalam is irrefutable.