Posted: Jul 24, 2013 12:59 pm
by tanya
spin wrote:Paul was writing in a literary context that was essentially pre-christian, so his terms and notions are not the settled notions of an established religion.


Unlike you, spin, I have no idea when "Paul" wrote. Accordingly, I have no basis for confirming or opposing your suggestion regarding "literary context...pre-christian". I really am uncertain when "christianity" began, and therefore, I am equally uncertain when "pre-christian" era ends, and christian era begins.

Here are five Greek historians, with different backgrounds. Choose another, if you prefer. My point is simple: What is there about the text of any of these five authors, that would indicate "literary context" for their extant works? At least one of these authors adheres to a religious ideology, so, there ought to be room here, to illustrate a simple example of writing which provides "literary context", sufficient to declare an approximate date of composition, based on the intrinsic merits of the work itself.

Appian of Alexandria 95 CE – 165 CE Ῥωμαϊκά

Arrian of Nicomedia 86 CE – 160 CE Ἀλεξάνδρου ἀνάβασις

Dio Chrysostom 40 CE – 115 CE Discourses (volume III, #32)

Dexippus 210 CE – 273 CE Chronica Historia

Dio Cassius 150 CE – 235 CE History of Rome, vol LX http://remacle.org/bloodwolf/historiens ... e1.htm#ECL

LX. Ὁτι τῶν Ῥωμαίων ἁλούσης ὑπὸ Γαλατῶν τῆς πόλεως εἰς τὸ Καπιτώλιον ἀνασκευασαμένων, ὁ Κάμιλλος φυγὰς ὢν, εἰσπέμπει πρὸς αὐτοὺς, ὡς ἐπιθέσθαι βούλεται τοῖς Γαλάταις. Ὡς δὲ ὁ διακομίζων τὰ γράμματα εἰς τὸ φρούριου ἀφίκετο, οἱ βάρβαροι τὰ ἴχνη διεσημαίντο. Καὶ μικροῦ δεῖν καὶ τὸ καταφύγιον ἔλαβεν ἂν, εἰ μὴ ἱεροὶ χῆνες βοσκόμενοι τὴν τῶν βαρβάρων ἔφοδον διεθρύλλησαν, καὶ τοὺς ἔνδον Ῥωμαίους διυπνίσαντες τοῖς ὅπλοις παρέστησαν.