Posted: Jan 25, 2015 4:38 pm
by Agrippina
John Platko wrote:
Agrippina wrote:
John Platko wrote:
Agrippina wrote:To be honest John Platko, I don't think you really believe in God, you believe in the idea of him.

I don't just believe in the idea of God but I believe in all the attributes I imagine the God I believe in to have. At the same time, I know that all I think about God is the product of my imagination or the imagination of others. It's not like God is subject to scientific experimentation- as far as we know.

Sorry, it's taken me a while to respond to this.

Wouldn't you think that if the being actually did exist, there would be standard attributes?

No. It took a very long time for people to come up with standard attributes for atoms, but while those attributes varied in peoples minds, atoms still existed - it's like so with God, i.e. we're still trying to figure God out.

But atoms actually do exist. You can't compare a made-up character in a series of books to atoms. That would be like saying that the characters in Lord of the Rings, or Game of Thrones are real, even though they exist merely in the pages of the stories written about them, just like God.

Surely that you have to imagine his attributes, really makes him something made up in your own mind, from ideas planted there by men in dresses?

That's how you imagine it to be; but it ain't necessarily so.

I don't "imagine" it to be that way, that's the way it is. The character God is merely someone written about in a few ancient books, and who continues to be written about in modern works, exactly the same way if people continue to write the stories of the Hobbits and the Elves long after we've all died, and claim that they actually existed.

Now imagine this: if I imagined that writing or language was something I could just make up as I went along, and only known to me, and accepted by me, I would be incoherent to the rest of the world, and be probably locked up somewhere safe to be prevent my being a danger to other people.

:nono: You might merely be an atheist trying to develop their own framework to try to win debates against the likes of William Lane Craig because you have difficulty with words like: evidence, supernatural and such - or so it seems to me from what I remember about a certain thread about made up language.

Those words mean something, and I'm not going back to that conversation. That some people can't allow themselves to understand what they mean, isn't my problem, I know what they mean, and I'm satisfied that the majority of the rest of the world also understand what they mean.

Yet you claim that your whole philosophy of life is based on some being that you imagine and that you interpret to yourself, and you expect us to believe that this being actually exists?

Well I wouldn't go that far. I also seem to be very influenced by the fictional TV character, James T. Kirk.

So you allow yourself to be influenced by fictional characters? That's very strange in an adult. The words attributed to the character "Kirk" were written by a real person, not by the fictional character you allow to influence you.

Isn't this a little like saying you have you have a best friend who lives with you, does everything you do with you, and is always there, and you want us to accept this best friend and invite him to live with us, do everything with us, and have him always with us?

I say you too have a best friend that lives in you too and you might like to invite that friend to step out of your unconscious and into you consciousness.

Wrong. My best friends are real people I can visit and interact with. I don't have imaginary friends.

Thanks but I think I'd like to test the existence of my friends, make sure they're actually there before I expect my real life friends to meet them.

:scratch: Understandable perhaps, but never-the-less a sad choice.

Why sad? I don't need imaginary friends, I'm don't have social interaction problems, despite my introversion and my early socialising issues. I've been taught how to live in the world with real-life people, even if I don't always enjoy it, I don't resort to making up people to interact with.