Posted: Apr 19, 2017 2:19 pm
dejuror wrote:For example, writings attributed to Josephus, Tacitus, Suetonius, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, Clement, Ignatius, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen and even Eusebius of Caesarea were corrupted in whole or in part by the Roman Church or their agents.
tanya wrote:1. But not those writings of Philo of Alexandria, or Lucian of Samosata ???
We have examples of corrupted texts in Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 attributed to Josephus and Annals 15.44 attributed to Tacitus and there is no such mutilation in the writings attributed to Philo and Lucian.
Examine the writings attributed to Philo and Lucian and there is found not a single mention of Jesus, Christ, Jesus Christ, the twelve disciples, Saul/Paul, bishops of the Church or Gospels attributed to Mark, Matthew, Luke and John.
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/yonge/
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/luc/fowl/index.htm
tanya wrote:2. "corrupted" implies possession of an original copy against which the extant (presumably mutilated) version can be compared. Do we possess today, among the various texts excavated from desert sands, an original copy of any document quilled 1800 years earlier?
We have no original copy of "Antiquities of the Jews" 18.3.3 yet the passage is regarded as a forgery almost universally.
We also have no original copy of "Church History" attributed to Eusebius that we can compare the extant version but we can examine what is written in the supposed copies.
In "Church History" the author makes references to the forgery called the "TF" Antiquities of the Jews 18.3.3 and other writings that are now considered or contain forgeries or false attribution.
The author of "Church History" [under the supposed name of Eusebius] has [inadvertently] listed writings that were manipulated or corrupted.
This is a partial list of the corrupted writings in "Church History"---Josephus, Irenaeus, Clement, Ignatius, Tertullian and Origen.
It can be easily shown that writings attributed to Josephus, Irenaeus, Clement, Ignatius, Tertullian and Origen were manipulated when writings attributed to Justin, Celsus, Municius Felix, Philo, Lucian, the Dead Sea Scrolls and Ephraem the Syrian are examined.