Posted: Apr 21, 2017 6:52 pm
by Thomas Eshuis
PensivePenny wrote:
Thomas Eshuis wrote:[*]
PensivePenny wrote:Thanks zulu.
The full verse (I had to look it up):
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Don't a lot of christians already claim that all the old testament has been "fulfilled?" In terms of prophecy? Or am I misreading that?

If something is fulfilled it's done. Go ask those Christians whether we can chuck out all the OT laws, including the 10 commandments since there's supposedly done.
Alternatively point out that laws can never be permantly fulfilled. They can only be contiously fulfilled by obeying them and executing the appropriate punishment.

Yeah, this is getting way more theological than I intended.... but....

There's nothing theological about it.
It's about language, laws and reason.
If something is fulfilled, it's done and over with.

PensivePenny wrote:
"Fulfilled." What does it mean? Depends on the individual I suppose.

Nope, that's not how language works.
I can start defining chairs as 'four legged animal', but that will mean I cannot participate in conversations about chairs or mammals.

PensivePenny wrote: I take it that it isn't referring to "laws" being fulfilled, rather the prophecies.

Then it is irrelevant to the question of whether the OT is still valid.
Because that's what that verse is being used as an excuse for.