Posted: Aug 03, 2017 1:27 am
Hurtado appears to be the most sensible ....
He is right about that. The "Other Jesus and Apostle Gospel Story Books" have all been sitting in the too-hard basket for many centuries. The Nag Hammadi codices, and the Tchacos Codex (Gospel of Judas, National Geographic 2006) have revived much interest. Pachomius RIP.
We can see clearly that the mainstream (and Hurtado's) premise of the geographically distributed "Early Church", which Eusebius associates with both the "Universal Church" and the "Nation of Christians", is securely (yikes!) founded on the historicity of "Paul" and his "Correspondence". Although not that with Seneca. Heaven forbid.
House of cards.
Does anyone play poker?
RealityRules wrote:
Hurtado
...The Pseudepigrapha/Apocrypha give us insights, to be sure. But we don’t know who wrote them, or for whom, or where, or even when in most cases.
He is right about that. The "Other Jesus and Apostle Gospel Story Books" have all been sitting in the too-hard basket for many centuries. The Nag Hammadi codices, and the Tchacos Codex (Gospel of Judas, National Geographic 2006) have revived much interest. Pachomius RIP.
RealityRules wrote:
Hurtado
It’s not the same sort of data that we have, e.g., in the letters of Paul or Ignatius, or 1 Clement, where we have texts that address specific communities and issues stated clearly (not fictively). But, sure, Roman-era Judaism would be (to my knowledge) the closest thing to a competitor. These Christian texts allow us to get snapshots of real churches in specific locations and at dates that can be approximated within a few years span.
We can see clearly that the mainstream (and Hurtado's) premise of the geographically distributed "Early Church", which Eusebius associates with both the "Universal Church" and the "Nation of Christians", is securely (yikes!) founded on the historicity of "Paul" and his "Correspondence". Although not that with Seneca. Heaven forbid.
House of cards.
Does anyone play poker?