Posted: Jun 25, 2019 10:03 am
dejuror wrote:
1. The short gMark story of John the Baptist is not anywhere in the so-called Epistles of Paul.
2. The miracles in the short Gospel of Mark are found nowhere in all the Epistles under the name of Paul.
3. The story of the baptism of Jesus by John is missing in the Pauline Epistles.
4. The transfiguration and triumphant entry is not at all in the Epistles.
5. The story of the trial of Jesus under Pilate is found nowhere in the so-called Epistles.
6. There is no claim that over 500 persons was seen of the resurrected Jesus in the short gMark.
7. There is no claim in the short gMark that the resurrected Jesus told his disciples to preach the Gospel.
8. There is no claim in the short gMark that the disciples were in Jerusalem preaching the Gospel after the crucifixion and resurrection.
9. None of the disciples was told about or seen of the resurrected Jesus in the short gMark which contradicts the Epistles.
10. The Jesus character in the short gMark commanded his disciples not to tell anyone he was the Christ which would contradict the Pauline Epistles where it is claimed Paul was commissioned by the resurrected Jesus to preach the Gospel
It is extremely clear that the author of the short gMark did not require any NT Epistle, Pauline or not, to fabricate his fables of Jesus.
It was the Fall of the Jewish Temple c 70 CE and supposed prophecies about the coming of Jewish Messianic rulers in Jewish writings as stated in writings attributed to Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius that motivated people to invent conspiracy theories which would later become the foundation of a new religion sometime in the 2nd century.
I can't disagree with this, though I'm not sure it was "conspiracy theories" which would later become the foundation of Christianity.
dejuror wrote:... many of the Epistles are falsely attributed to Paul.
True.
dejuror wrote:... it is almost certain that the Epistles under the name of Paul are not the motivation for the Jesus of Nazareth story.
That is certainly possible.
The Dutch Radical AD Loman proposed in the late 19th century that -
"Christianity in its origin was nothing else than a Jewish-Messianic movement [with Peter as its central character] ... the figure of Jesus had never existed, but represented a symbolization and personification of thoughts that could only make full headway in the second century.
A Gnostic-Messianic community [with 'Paul' as its representative-character] later appeared alongside the Jewish-Christian messianic community.
In the period between 70 and 135 CE the two groups opposed one another with bitter animosity.
"Only in the middle of the second century did they achieve a reconciliation, in which the gnostic community had Paul as its representative, and the Jewish-Christian community had Peter. The result of this process of reconciliation was the formation of the Roman Catholic Church. ... the letters of Paul are all inauthentic and represent the product of the newly-believing, gnostic-messianic community."
Michael Hoffman's summary of The Fabricated Paul: Early Christianity in the Twilight by Hermann Detering (1995)
dejuror wrote:The very Pauline writers claimed that their Jesus was already dead and resurrected, that other people were already preaching about Jesus and that Paul persecuted those who preached about Jesus before the Epistles were written.
In fact it is claimed in the Epistles that the dead and resurrected Jesus told [Paul] about the Last Supper, that he was commissioned to preach the Gospel as Peter was.
The Pauline Epistles show that parts of the Jesus story found in the Gospels were known to their authors.
... The Epistles are 2nd century or later propaganda introduced specifically to historicise the fiction called the Gospels.
Fair enough.