Posted: Jun 29, 2019 2:27 am
by dejuror
dejuror wrote:........It was the Fall of the Jewish Temple c 70 CE and supposed prophecies about the coming of Jewish Messianic rulers in Jewish writings as stated in writings attributed to Josephus, Tacitus and Suetonius that motivated people to invent conspiracy theories which would later become the foundation of a new religion sometime in the 2nd century.


RealityRules wrote:
I can't disagree with this, though I'm not sure it was "conspiracy theories" which would later become the foundation of Christianity.


Well, Christians writers of antiquity did put forward conspiracy theories which later became the very foundational belief of the Christianity.

It is claimed by multiple apologetic writers that their supposed Jesus the Messiah must have come, was killed by the Jews causing the Jewish Temple to fall in c 70 CE which was predicted in the books of Hebrew Scripture.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0503.htm
Hippolytus Expository Treatise Against the Jews
7. But why, O prophet, tell us, and for what reason, was the temple made desolate? Was it on account of that ancient fabrication of the calf? Was it on account of the idolatry of the people? Was it for the blood of the prophets? Was it for the adultery and fornication of Israel? By no means, he says; for in all these transgressions they always found pardon open to them, and benignity; but it was because they killed the Son of their Benefactor, for He is coeternal with the Father.....



http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/justinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html
Justin's Dialogue with Trypho
...... you alone may suffer that which you now justly suffer; and that your land may be desolate, and your cities burned with fire; and that strangers may eat your fruit in your presence, and not one of you may go up to Jerusalem.' For you are not recognised among the rest of men by any other mark than your fleshly circumcision. For none of you, I suppose, will venture to say that God neither did nor does foresee the events, which are future, nor fore-ordained his deserts for each one. Accordingly, these things have happened to you in fairness and justice, for you have slain the Just One, and His prophets before Him...


http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/04161.htm
Celsus Against Origen 1.47
Now this writer, although not believing in Jesus as the Christ, in seeking after the cause of the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple......... he ought to have said that the conspiracy against Jesus was the cause of these calamities befalling the people, since they put to death Christ, who was a prophet......


http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0308.htm
Tertullian's Answer to the Jews
Accordingly the times must be inquired into of the predicted and future nativity of the Christ, and of His passion, and of the extermination of the city of Jerusalem, that is, its devastation. For Daniel says, that both the holy city and the holy place are exterminated together with the coming Leader, and that the pinnacle is destroyed unto ruin. And so the times of the coming Christ, the Leader, must be inquired into, which we shall trace in Daniel.....


http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/irenaeus-book5.html

Irenaeus Against Heresies
5. From all these passages are revealed to us, not merely the particulars of the apostasy, and [the doings] of him who concentrates in himself every satanic error, but also, that there is one and the same God the Father, who was declared by the prophets, but made manifest by Christ. For if what Daniel prophesied concerning the end has been confirmed by the Lord, when He said, "When ye shall see the abomination of desolation, which has been spoken of by Daniel the prophet" (and the angel Gabriel gave the interpretation of the visions to Daniel, and he is the archangel of the Creator (Demiurgi), who also proclaimed to Mary the visible coining and the incarnation of Christ), then one and the same God is most manifestly pointed out, who sent the prophets, and made promise of the Son, and called us into His knowledge.



Eusebius Church History 2.6. 8.
In addition to these the same author records many other tumults which were stirred up in Jerusalem itself, and shows that from that time seditions and wars and mischievous plots followed each other in quick succession, and never ceased in the city and in all Judea until finally the siege of Vespasian overwhelmed them. Thus the divine vengeance overtook the Jews for the crimes which they dared to commit against Christ....


The evidence is clear and overwhelming. Church writers did engage in conspiracy theories attempting to explain the destruction of Jerusalem and the Fall of the Jewish Temple.

Jesus of Nazareth was a mere conspiracy theory without a shred of history.