Posted: Dec 06, 2020 3:23 am
by dejuror
RealityRules wrote:Richard Carrier has a new short book out, with a stupid title, and a stupid cover, Jesus from Outer Space: What the Earliest Christians Really Believed about Christ.

The earliest Christians believed Jesus was an ancient celestial being who put on a bodysuit of flesh, died at the hands of dark forces, and then rose from the dead and ascended back into the heavens. But the writing we have today from that first generation of Christians never says where they thought he landed, where he lived, or where he died. The idea that Jesus toured Galilee and visited Jerusalem arose only a lifetime later, in unsourced legends written in a foreign land and language. Many sources repeat those legends, but none corroborate them. Why? What exactly was the original belief about Jesus, and how did this belief change over time? In Jesus from Outer Space, noted philosopher and historian Richard Carrier summarizes for a popular audience the scholarly research on these and related questions, revealing in turn how modern attempts to conceal, misrepresent, or avoid the actual evidence calls into question the entire field of Jesus studies--and present-day beliefs about how Christianity began.


A lot is a synopsis of On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Have Reason to Doubt, but Carrier also addresses criticisms of it and things he has raised elsewhere. It's pity there isn't better citation of On the Historicity of Jesus to provide better support for some of the things he says, in some parts at least, because there is.

Some selected parts (chapters) are available via Google Books


These stupid hypotheses that NT Jesus was from outer space are derived from the completely baseless claims that the Pauline Epistles are the earliest Christian writings.

The Pauline Epistles are post Acts of the Apostles based on existing evidence.

It is clearly seen that the Pauline Epistles had no influence at all on early Christian writers and non-apologetics up to at least the last quarter of the 2nd century or at least c 175 CE.