Posted: Aug 29, 2021 3:02 am
by dejuror
One of the most ridiculous argument that I read is that the Pauline writings are before the fall of the Jewish Temple c 70 CE and that the supposed Paul wrote to the Romans who worshiped Jesus Christ, a supposed Jewish Messiah as a God and Savior of mankind

The Epistle to the Romans is most blatantly anachronistic.

There were no Romans in any historical writings about the time period up to the fall of the Jewish Temple (c 7 BCE to c 70 CE) from King Herod the Great to the reign of Vespasian who wrote about Roman citizens worshipping a Jew as a God and Messianic ruler.

None whatsoever.

The fall of the Jewish Temple c 70 CE was precisely because the Romans rejected the Jewish belief that their Messianic ruler would emerge during the War of the Jews c 66-70 CE.

It was Vespasian who was regarded by Romans citizens as their Savior.

Wars of the Jews 3.9
The next day Vespasian sent Trajan before with some horsemen to the citadel, to make trial of the multitude, whether they were all disposed for peace; and as soon as he knew that the people were of the same mind with the petitioner, he took his army, and went to the city; upon which the citizens opened to him their gates, and met him with acclamations of joy, and called him their saviour and benefactor.


Roman citizens worshiping a character called Jesus as their Savior and God is a post Vespasian phenomenon (post 70 CE).

Whoever wrote the Epistle to the Romans must have lived after c 70 CE or at least after the Lord and Savior of the Romans--the Emperor Vespasian.

We have writings attributed to Josephus, Suetonius, Tacitus, Plutarch, Pliny the elder, Cassius Dio and others but they all mention nothing of Roman citizens worshiping a Jew (dead or alive) as their Messianic ruler and Savior pre 70 CE.